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Date:      Sat,  2 Dec 2000 00:24:44 -0500
From:      "Erik Rothwell" <erothwell@callgtn.com>
To:        <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Pronunciations
Message-ID:  <200012020024.AA76284136@wdc.callgtn.com>

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What a lot of Americans seem to miss is that American English is a minority=
 language compared to the vast wealth of nations and peoples who speak prop=
er Standard English (what Americans like to call British English.)

Colour, valour, labour are the Standard spellings... similarly, Standard En=
glish drops its final -rs and such. When you learn to speak English anywher=
e but America or Canada, you learn with Standard English pronunciation. Cra=
zily enough, Standard English has many more vowels than American English...=
 I believe it's 26 or 28 to just 12.

Furthermore, the -ise / -ize difference comes from word origin: if the word=
 origin is Latin you use -ise, if it is Greek you use -ize.

Food for thought ;-)
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Mark Ovens <marko@freebsd.org>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:57:48 +0000

>On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:19:22PM -0500, Passki, Jonathan P wrote:
>> Yes, us lazy Americans hate that 'ou' thing the Brits try to always
>> interject, like 'colour' and 'valour.'
>
>I think that originates from the French where such words end ~eur. Of
>course it was Noah Webster who dropped the 'u'.
>
>> Also, why can't the Brits us an
>> occasional 'z' in their words; initialize, serialize, and other words li=
ke
>> them just look cool w/ the 'z' in them, not that 's' substitution the Br=
its
>> use.
>> 
>
>Curiously, this is the one group of words that Americans spell correctly
>and we get wrong. If you look in older editions of the OED you will find
>such words spelled exclusively ~ize. Only in more recent editions (<10
>years) will ~ise appear and then only as an *alternative* spelling. I have=

>great fun at work when writing docs where I always use ~ize and,
>invariably, the reviewer pulls me up on it so I pull out a dictionary (and=

>slap him 'round the back of the head with it)....
>
>> Here's another good one, though: /etc
>> 
>
>FWIW, slash ee tee cee
>
>> Some people pronounce it like its root word, etcetera, which is
>> grammatically correct, since etcetera is abbreviated like "etc."  Others=
 say
>> it like "et-sEE."  What's the better one?
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Peter Lai [mailto:PeterL@resnet.uconn.edu]
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:31
>> > To: 'David Talkington '; 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org '
>> > Subject: RE: Pronunciations
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  well, if you want to do a linguistical analysis on it:
>> > 
>> > /lib is where you find "libs" (the i is short, ryhmes with 
>> > "fibs"). However
>> > "libs" is derived from "lIbraries", which rhymes with "vIbe".
>> > since "/lib" is a descendant of "libs" which is an altered 
>> > descendent of
>> > "lIbraries" you should be able to pronounce "libs" with the short i.
>> > i mean, you would prononounce "GTK-libs" as ryhming with "fibs" so why=

>> > wouldn't you do the same with "slash-lib".
>> > 
>> > /bin is the place where you find "bInaries". but then you can 
>> > say it's the
>> > "bin where you find programs". refer to eric s. raymond's 
>> > hackers jargon
>> > dictionary. So linguistically it would make sense for you to pronounce=

>> > "/bIn" with the long vowel. But, americans are `lazy' and it 
>> > takes less
>> > energy to say the short vowel.
>> > 
>> > i mean, "missiles" can be pronounced "missels" or "missILes", 
>> > the former
>> > being the american prounouciation and the latter, the british method.
>> > 
>> > more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > 
>> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> > Sent: 11/30/2000 12:47 PM
>> > Subject: Pronunciations
>> > 
>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Salutations.
>> > 
>> > There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
>> > in my office.  I'll cast it to the list and let the chips fall where
>> > they may.  (There's no money on it.)
>> > 
>> > /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
>> > /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
>> > peeco or pyco?
>> > 
>> > I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
>> > back me up.  On the above, however, I can find no controlling
>> > authority.  Please guide us on our path to righteousness.
>> > 
>> > Cheers!  -d
>> > 
>> > - -- 
>> > David Talkington
>> > Community Networking Initiative
>> > dtalk@prairienet.org
>> > 217-244-1962
>> > 
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