From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Apr 23 9:49:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.home.nl (mail3.home.nl [213.51.129.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D575F37B41F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com ([217.123.110.189]) by mail3.home.nl (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20020423164705.VUIY17620.mail3.home.nl@lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com>; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:47:05 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jochem Kossen To: frank@exit.com Subject: Re: Security through obscurity? (was: ssh + compiled-in SKEY support considered harmful?) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:48:48 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] Cc: Joerg Micheel , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200204231457.g3NEvJeL020473@realtime.exit.com> In-Reply-To: <200204231457.g3NEvJeL020473@realtime.exit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200204231848.49001.j.kossen@home.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 23 April 2002 16:57, Frank Mayhar wrote: > Jochem Kossen wrote: > > It does work. But i think you mean the tcp connections. > > Does that mean you vote for enabling _all_ services? They don't > > work out of the box as well... > > This is ridiculous. You know as well as I do that that's _not_ what > Greg means. Just don't change stuff out from under the users. True, but this mail wasn't a response to Greg. Over the time i've used=20 FreeBSD, i've seen several services been disabled by default, and i=20 don't see a difference between that and this. Care to explain? > > > And don't tell me that X11 is an add-on and luxury. > > > > I agree, but the tcp connections IS an add-on luxury imho > > Wrong. It's the way it works. Yup, and i didn't like the way it works > > > We are living in the 21st century. > > > > That's right, the century of virii, DoS attacks, worms, and > > scriptkiddiots. > > Then fix the security holes at your end and leave the rest of to fix > them the way _we_ want to. Don't impose your "fix" on the rest of us > by fiat. Excuse me? I thought i sent in a patch which was an improvement. The=20 people responsible thought so too. The patch was a proposal, nothing=20 more, nothing less. I don't care at all wether my patch is in the ports=20 or not, i just thought it was a good idea, so i sent it in. I see=20 nothing wrong in that. If people disagree with the patch, send in a PR and/or remove the patch.=20 That's all there is to it. The patch lives at=20 x11/XFree86-4-libraries/files/patch-startx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message