From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 18:05:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC9C1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864E48FC14 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p7NI6IZw002648; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:06:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:06:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201108231806.p7NI6IZw002648@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: luvbeastie@larseighner.com In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:05:12 -0000 > From lars@larseighner.com Tue Aug 23 07:33:23 2011 > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:31:50 -0500 (CDT) > From: Lars Eighner > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? > > On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > >> From: Lars Eighner > > >> That's why I sprang for the 3Com which WAS supported by sio for years > >> and is NOT supported by uart since 8.x. Why it is this device could > >> be supported for so many years, but somehow it is impossible on 8.x? > > > > The answer is "because it *iS*". Whether or not you understand 'why' > > does't change that real-world FACT. > > > > The world changed. The old driver -doesn't- work any more. Because of > > architectural changes to other parts of the system. > > It is only natural for me to resist the conclusion that I have wasted > years of my time and poured trasure down a rat hole. "Sh*t happens." Live with it. > >> I'll look at anything, but if I have to buy something, I want to know > >> it is actually IS working with uart, not that sort of should've. > > > > *sigh* > > > > If it is a USB serial port, it _doesn't_ use the uart driver. And you > > avoid any limitations that it might have. > > > >> "drop-in repIacement" were the exact words used when I asked about it > >> the first time I heard sio was being dropped and was assured uart > >> would be a "drop-in replacement." But it is not, so theoretical "ought > >> to work"s are not helpful. I'm looking for really actually does work. > > > > You've been told what actually does work. I'm running 8.2 on several > > machines -- *with* working serial ports that live directly on the > > legacy ISA bus. Using only the standard kernel drivers. And doing PPP > > over those ports. I'm not using a modem, just a null-modem cable but I > > could swap in a pair of _any_ type of hardware modems. > > Well, see, my question was about dialup, not null modem. There is absolutely *zero* difference between a serial port using a null modem and a RS-232 interface modem on that same serial port, as far as the operating system is concerned. I've tried to tell you what *will* work, and how to find appropriate hardware, and all you want to do is argue with the help you're being given. What you need to do is hire somebody to *do*the*programming* to port the device driver you "require' to the newer version of the O/S.