From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 2:33: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208F337B424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 02:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@jhs.muc.de) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4SMvuc22835; Mon, 28 May 2001 22:57:56 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200105282257.f4SMvuc22835@jhs.muc.de> To: Bsdguru@aol.com Cc: bv@wjv.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freeside In-Reply-To: Message from Bsdguru@aol.com of "Sat, 26 May 2001 11:47:43 EDT." <9a.14dd3669.28412a1f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 00:57:56 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey Jhs@jhs.muc.de" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bsdguru@aol.com, > Are you somehow implying that in order to post to this this I am obligated to > use FreeBSD as my mail client? If you _choose_ to avoid all BSD mail tools, that's rather suspect: BSD people generally use BSD where they can, & only use M$-Inc platform based stuff if constrained to no other choice. Some import personal BSD hosts to hang on the company net, rather than use MS stuff. ( But we're on majordomo@freebsd.org admin'd lists to discuss FreeBSD issues, which do not extend to opinions about MS/Mac based client mail binaries, unless BSD server protocol problems are referenced. ) Use your BSD Guru skills (&/or matching derived income), to try: - All of 4.3 & current /usr/ports/mail/* - Porting a better mail client to FreeBSD/ports/ from another OS, - Writing a better package for free source distribution, - Paying to a fund for someone else to write code for BSD, Unless perhaps you'r just a part time BSD user, & non contributor ? The name Bsdguru is suspect: I started Unix in 1977, (I'm certainly no guru, but) I've met/ know a few who one might call gurus, but I've met none who call _themselves_ gurus. Quote your resume URL referencing many BSD kernel hacks & packages contributed, BSD books written, & conference BSD tutorials lectured, to avoid the wide suspicion you are most probably a fake Guru. Criticising Bill Vermillion seems suspect: Don't you know he's a helpful asset on isp@ ? (He helped me among many others) Better that your postings be discouraged, rather than his. > Im just trying to do my job. We're not paid to help. Many read in their own time, not employer's time. A suspect fake Guru can attract more derision & less free help than a real name. Julian - Julian Stacey Unix Consultant - Munich Germany http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Kau/Schnupftabak probieren ! Like Linux ? Then also look at FreeBSD with its 5000+ packages ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message