From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 5 02:24:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C9D12CA for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 02:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jerrymc.net (jerrymc.net [75.75.214.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9180EF5 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 02:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jerrymc.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jerrymc.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3525M8p046286; Fri, 4 Apr 2014 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@jerrymc.net) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by jerrymc.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id s3525MMb046285; Fri, 4 Apr 2014 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 22:05:22 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: "Littlefield, Tyler" Subject: Re: Complete online course in assembly language of Randall Hyde's is really course in assembly language? Message-ID: <20140405020522.GA46258@jerrymc.net> References: <533F348D.9020503@tysdomain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <533F348D.9020503@tysdomain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Jorge Luis Carvalho Santos X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 02:24:30 -0000 On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 06:39:09PM -0400, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > On 4/4/2014 4:44 PM, Jorge Luis Carvalho Santos wrote: > > Complete online course in assembly language of Randall Hyde's is really > course in assembly language? > Is written in FreeBSD Developers' Handbook: > "This chapter does not explain the basics of assembly language.There are > enough resources about that (for a complete online course in assembly > language, see Randall Hyde's Art of Assembly Language;" > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x86.html > > The biggest gripe I have with this book is that it teaches ?High Level > Assembly?, essentially an entirely different language from assembly, built > using assembly macros. It?s great maybe if you have no programming > experience what so ever?although even then I don?t know why you would learn > HLA instead of a real language. > Learning HLA instead of assembly is frustrating for learn the true Assembly. > Here in spite of the indication that this post was probably just a troll hit. That makes it good. The onlyt reasonable way to program in assembly is to make significant use of macros and once a reasonable set of macros are developed, one should no longer be using machine code except in some unusual circumstances. ////jerry