From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Fri May 25 04:27:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEBAF72615 for ; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@sippysoft.com) Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com (mail-oi0-f48.google.com [209.85.218.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6385671E6B for ; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@sippysoft.com) Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id b130-v6so3432126oif.12 for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 21:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oErXU7mAZ1KmpazwygP42vhAxIAV6/OrisZtCQIWhoM=; b=XTewjJJEKBS1WFdmksBlQ0fd1U/ALAghLXglPiwkqLqHwXRxc6qTcoai0oZmEWLB9/ KXojtGDH1GFDCr0DKpSPt99IEK95z53Hk8j28LMWHUwKPJPN/d0BhyljcLfhd0LbXvFw 56Z07F4/qE5DIqfUgr6fwDi0wAIOeQcgs9yad1ASD+/TJxJ92O620Wy4CdK7z01HMaKx rU21V9pSdIrq5FUMo5W21qog5p7QzRj4bwlIY3LBnnR6Aaj4+sEhBWKta7NKGfkOmPn1 L1doSDDaEODVNi3FDirK/tGEpWZnKHqzlhhygbr0Tw2vNlxkG8JNn+DhCaPLdhOhSbd/ 5rDg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwd4521n3YkkuKzGPzKnhXqQlHPavdE7WE6HHmeOM3F/Tecg/MDG XwQSojGji5wbKYklpcEu/YybEjdf7mYuVPB+zgrnxA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJaNtZFMQWAL+QLiY9OFGvOWyQAL9D1n79YTC4fidCwP/EU0032QyyuxQ78OWPl10QchTBJJ12pra6LpjZH6uE= X-Received: by 2002:aca:2b19:: with SMTP id i25-v6mr466135oik.170.1527222460919; Thu, 24 May 2018 21:27:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201805232218.w4NMIxMA067892@slippy.cwsent.com> <18a87d6d-14af-ef9d-80ff-403039e36692@cs.duke.edu> <20180525003949.GA710@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20180525003949.GA710@lonesome.com> From: Maxim Sobolev Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 21:27:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deorbiting i386 To: Mark Linimon Cc: Matthew Macy , Andrew Gallatin , Pedro Giffuni , Cy Schubert , Brooks Davis , Eugene Grosbein , Stefan Esser , "rgrimes@freebsd.org" , Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 May 2018 10:32:36 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 04:27:49 -0000 The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i386 is here to stay not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low power/low cost platform for at least 5-10 years to come. There are plenty of applications in the world that don't need > 3gb of memory space and have no use for extra bits (and extra silicon) to function. By quitting this space early FreeBSD is going to make itself unavailable for those applications. We are striving to support mips and the likes, with just tens of megabytes of memory and marginal at best adoption. Yet seriously discussing ditching out solid platform that has been our workforce for 20+ years?? -Max On Thu, May 24, 2018, 5:40 PM Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:22:37PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > > All you need to know about sparc64 vitality is that HEAD didn't boot > > for 3 months until last week. > > All you need to know is that -11 works fine, but, after so much drama > from various places, I haven't even bothered upgrading any of my machines > to 12. > > mcl > >