From owner-freebsd-arch Sun Feb 18 15:40:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-53.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E98337B4EC; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB96566B32; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:40:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:40:43 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Wes Peters Cc: nbm@freebsd.org, Mark Murray , Julian Elischer , arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Summary of List of things to move from main tree to ports Message-ID: <20010218154043.A37703@mollari.cthul.hu> References: <3A8E47DC.FAF7F962@elischer.org> <200102181155.f1IBt7957868@gratis.grondar.za> <3A900185.54C97B10@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A900185.54C97B10@softweyr.com>; from wes@softweyr.com on Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 10:08:21AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 10:08:21AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > Mark Murray wrote: > >=20 > > > I remember how ill I felt the first time I encountered a Unix system = with > > > no C compiler... > >=20 > > The idea here not not "no C Compiler" or in fact "no _anything_". Those > > are release-engineer policy decisions today, and customer choices > > tomorrow. > >=20 > > _That_ is the point. >=20 > Right. For instance, why would you want to cram a C compiler on a flash- > based firewall? Or even a disk-based one? One way to go about this might be to maintain dependency information between various binaries or groups of binaries and enforce this as a graph relationship which provides a consistent system with various features. This ties in with the NetBSD graph-based /etc/rc mechanism which Neil Blaker-Milner has been working on. Neil, what's the status of that anyway? For example, a standalone system which is not internet-connected wouldn't need to install the "network utilities" (telnet, ssh, ftp) or the "network services" (inetd, sshd, ...). It would be tricky (perhaps just time-consuming) to get the dependencies right on the level of individual binaries, but you could imagine the management system allowing selection/deselection of individual elements of a set as well. Kris --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6kF17Wry0BWjoQKURAhs/AKCvSZq1nvdawwDkCco23AKov4+nUACePszq JKOQESSpJdbh2Jz8wKMi8cE= =NoTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message