From owner-freebsd-current Sun Sep 6 07:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22686 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [209.118.174.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22681 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23127; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:37:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@picnic.mat.net To: Terry Lambert cc: eivind@yes.no, oppermann@pipeline.ch, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: 3.0 enters BETA status in 12 days! In-Reply-To: <199809060706.AAA13908@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I just checked Kirk's posts about it, and Andre falls into a hole > > between where Kirk did and didn't specify. > > > > He said private, non-coomercial was free. > > > > He said companies that package it and sell it embedded should pay, and > > that included ISPs, but there the example was ISPs who put a machine at > > a customer's site. > > > > As far as ISPs using it themselves, it's unclear. Kirk gave an example > > of someone at work using on their workstation, and he said that was > > free. I'd guess Eivind's right, you'd have to check it with Kirk > > McKusick. > > > I disagree. A one-off installation is clearly covered in the "I > would like you to donate, but yoyu are note required to" case. I was working from his own posts to current, and only that, not from the copyright itself. I understand no legalese at all. Everything I found, it's all there in the archives, but I guess you found more? > > The case where you are required to is the case where you resell > software the depends on the features. > > For Whistle, this includes all kernel code, since the new version > of WhistleWare (repackaged FreeBSD) depends on the code. A side > benefit of this is that Whistle paid for a FreeBSD port, which > would not have existed otherwise, and a number of bug-fixes which > both Kirk and BSDI benefitted from. > > I think for a specifric ISP, so long as a derived work were not > distributed, there is a request for support, but no requirement. > Kirk is not RMS, and he understands economies of Intellectual > property, where RMS does not. > > In any case, if you are in a quandry, ask. I think the answer, > unless you intend to resell the code (which ISP's do not), will > be "go ahead an use it". > > The main issue is that if you make money off his effort, he wants > to make money, too. > > This isn't unreasoanble. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message