From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 24 16:16:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FAA1155; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 20pmail.ess.barracuda.com (20pmail.ess.barracuda.com [64.235.150.246]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0C881878; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Opium.Pharm.Guru (Opium.Pharm.Guru [162.243.227.187]) by mx10.ess.sfj.cudaops.com; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:16:26 +0000 X-BESS-ID: 1393258585-425074-16275-516365-1 X-BESS-VER: 2.4.2-r1402191942 X-BESS-BRTS-Status: 1 X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-Watermark: 1393863384.58223@yt6AgdCCdanIXMqdv2/zxg X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-From: lucius.rizzo@lucius.xxx X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.1, required 3, autolearn=not spam, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, DKIM_VALID -0.10, DKIM_VALID_AU -0.10, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED 0.00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.00) X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-IP-Protocol: IPv4 X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder: Found to be clean X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-ID: 0F51A40EBA.AAE66 X-OurDotGuru-Mailborder-Information: Please contact your admin for more information Received: from lucius.XxX (lucius.XxX [95.85.22.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by Opium.Pharm.Guru (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F51A40EBA; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:16:23 -0500 (EST) Authentication-Results: Opium.Pharm.Guru; dkim=pass reason="2048-bit key; unprotected key" header.d=lucius.xxx header.i=@lucius.xxx header.b=Dl1q6yqS; dkim-adsp=pass Received: from Lucius.XxX (lrizzo@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lucius.XxX (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s1OGGLua032372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:16:22 GMT DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.0 lucius.XxX s1OGGLua032372 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lucius.xxx; s=default; t=1393258582; bh=WlXygyv7tH3HtmDqgpqkJG3kg2WPC/8Ob7s+A/mwWlk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; z=Date:=20Mon,=2024=20Feb=202014=2016:16:21=20+0000|From:=20Lucius= 20Rizzo=20|To:=20Bryan=20Drewery=20|Cc:=20Baptiste=20Daroussin=20,= 20current@FreeBSD.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Import=20of=20DragonFly=20M ail=20Agent|References:=20<20140223211155.GS1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd .net>=0D=0A=20<530B67EA.1090102@FreeBSD.org>|In-Reply-To:=20<530B6 7EA.1090102@FreeBSD.org>; b=Dl1q6yqSg/oprvWogyrclVOi2xcgfGvvvWN8qK2QzjY8qLYX2uGxDMjsnk1yyzS3K S4qE9HsPIdy1Nc7w8LkBbPp5t+uxz/2PvYYo3BioYZnTLnlndV8een1H5iPOesDAt+ 7ubcDRqKPAb/RpbDijIaE5d5N20jBtXsYC99L25xNaXj7/ab3ZFEFzD7LsygQcUcRY nOwJVAJPvDel/gY118xuHucb/I02Qzj+YR3pvWE8AIQFJ0wFc3WEVIUbxkod4bfZcL CoreykzNOplXbDFds6uA6ZKRMeU81Q4S34tkGdBO7Wa5XIaCj9forsXhfZ6cxppXts 2aYjwyvEFK7Fg== Received: (from lrizzo@localhost) by Lucius.XxX (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) id s1OGGL1n032371; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:16:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: Lucius.XxX: lrizzo set sender to Lucius.Rizzo@Lucius.XxX using -f Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:16:21 +0000 From: Lucius Rizzo To: Bryan Drewery Subject: Re: Import of DragonFly Mail Agent Message-ID: <20140224161621.GB31812@lucius.XxX> References: <20140223211155.GS1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <530B67EA.1090102@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <530B67EA.1090102@FreeBSD.org> X-Organization: T.gT Consulting - http://t.gt X-Homepage: http://www.Say.Si User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-PWhois-Status: No originator identified Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , current@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:16:34 -0000 * Bryan Drewery [2014-02-24 09:40]: > Remembering the time I spent trying to configure sendmail to not accept > inbound mail, and trying to get it to behave how I want, I fully support > this. Of all the years I've messed with sendmail, I still have little > understanding of how to configure it or if I've done it right. Hush! No sendmail hating :P. I remember it being a right of passage to graduate to a ^real^ UNIX admin when you had lost half of your hair while working on sendmail.cf. In a era now long gone, I remember carrying the sendmail bible (thick with detailed instructions on cf vars) as protection vs. say a baseball bat. The Sendmail manual was thick, heavy and while I never did use it as a weapon; I had imagined many times throwing it at a server and see if that maybe fixed the problem with sendmail.cf. I've worked with MTA's a lot. I have hated and loved Sendmail. ATM, I am back in my I <3 Sendmail mode and have it running quite well -- with a lot of cool milters on some of my servers. But sendmail is not for the faint of heart, or ones who are at risk of hair loss. In fact, I would highly discourage sendmail use in the latter case. > My exaggerated view of sendmail as a user: [...] Poof..that's easy :P > > # Uncomment if you want STARTTLS support (only used in combination > > with # SECURETRANSFER) #STARTTLS > > Yes please. Simple. > > I'm not sure where to even start with sendmail to enable those > options. See! That wasn't hard at all!! I don't get why people get so worried. What you posted was mostly mc stuff anyways. I would be far more impressed if you would have debugged that in the cf or via sendmail flags. :))) I often use ssmtp on servers that run Wordpress etc and collect most mail to a mailhub which routes it internally and externally. I <3 Sendmail. -- | _o _ |_)o_ _ _ |_|_|(_||_|_> | \|/_/_(_) - Lucius.Tel -------------------------------------- ++ The greatest griefs are those we cause ourselves. ++ ++ -- Sophocles ++