From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 20:29:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546A11065670 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:29:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-arch@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C308FC12 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QwgYf-0004nZ-DU for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:29:49 +0200 Received: from 208.88.188.90.adsl.tomsknet.ru ([90.188.88.208]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:29:49 +0200 Received: from vadim_nuclight by 208.88.188.90.adsl.tomsknet.ru with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:29:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org From: Vadim Goncharov Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Nuclear Lightning @ Tomsk, TPU AVTF Hostel Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <1313785806.56747.YahooMailClassic@web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <175270279.98941.1313793515391.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.88.188.90.adsl.tomsknet.ru X-Comment-To: Xin LI User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (FreeBSD) Subject: Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:29:51 -0000 Hi Xin LI! On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:20:42 -0700; Xin LI wrote about 'Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve': >>> One thing I thought I'd bring up (since I haven't seen it >>> mentioned yet) is Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. I haven't tried it, >>> so I'm talking through my hat a bunch, but... >> >>> It seems to me that FreeBSD should do what it can to support >>> this effort. Why? Well, I suspect a lot of why organizations >> >> No. FreeBSD has limited resources. We need to: >> >> a) fix our own problems >> b) develop our own unique features (see my message to Robert Watson) >> >> And supporting Debian will mean wasting resources which could be spent >> to these. This will effectively kill FreeBSD as a separate entity if >> our problems will stay unfixed and get worse due to this. >> >> Leave this work to Debian: they already have a wide community and many >> resources. Any Linux distro has more resources than BSD because they just >> only pack someone's software, and we have to also actually *develop* those >> software (most of all, kernel and libc). > I consider Debian GNU/kFreeBSD as a platform where we can see what the > actual {performance,functionality} difference between our code and GNU > ones, which is valuable. Supporting their effort might be time > consuming and maybe not our priority, but it's good not to make their > work harder because more importantly, their existence gives us more > exposure and more eyes on our codebase as well. I agree that it's good not to make their work harder (you've pointed valid reasons), but I do not agree that their support is a priority to FreeBSD ("should do what it can"). That's auxiliary, not primary. -- WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181 mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru [Anti-Greenpeace][Sober FreeBSD zealot][http://nuclight.livejournal.com]