From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 5 03:59:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DC81065671 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 03:59:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957368FC08 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 03:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m753xguW044761; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:59:26 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20080805035925.GC20518@thought.org> References: <18736784.post@talk.nabble.com> <48909534.9040608@FreeBSD.org> <48971F22.3000601@carebears.mine.nu> <48975C9B.9040103@FreeBSD.org> <20080804165237.39f79c49@scorpio> <20080804230918.GA12219@thought.org> <0F274EB7-AB91-45E3-89ED-3ADCC42F9E42@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0F274EB7-AB91-45E3-89ED-3ADCC42F9E42@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When gcc43 is expected to be in base? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:59:29 -0000 On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 05:20:10PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > >On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 04:52:37PM -0400, Gerard wrote: > >>Since it appears to be apparent that newer software might very well > >>be > >>released under the GPLv3 license, it might behoove the FreeBSD team > >>to > >>rethink its ideas or beliefs regarding the inclusion of such software > >>into the base system. At the very least, it might very well make life > >>easier for end users who need the support that programs using that > >>license are now offering. > > > > I must have missed something along the way, because I don't > > understand what the "preferences" are to *not* use 4.3. I have > > it buiilt and runing here on my mail desktop and at least one > > other FBSD server. > > > > Clues, please. > > Oh, there's nothing wrong with you as an individual running gcc-4.3 if > you like. > > Nor is there anything wrong with the GPLv3 license-- it's well-crafted > and handles certain technical issues resulting from varied legal > systems quite well compared to most other licenses (eg, clause 17 for > many European jurisdictions which do not permit one to completely > disclaim liability), *provided* one is working on completely open > systems. > > However, anyone who needs to do things with cryptography and signing > is going to find GPLv3 clauses 3 and 6 unworkable. FreeBSD (and > NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc) are attractive for people building embedded > systems because they are (mostly) not GPL(v2)-encumbered, and adopting > GPLv3 code would make that problem worse. [[ paragraphs deleted. (*mumble*) ]] yeah, i undersand the larger picture. and i'll stop right here. thanks for the dope-slap. gary > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org