From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 20 1:39:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90BD37BB93 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:39:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13FBq8-000Clg-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:37:56 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:37:56 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Brad Knowles Cc: David Schwartz , Brett Glass , Rahul Siddharthan , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ORBS vs MAPS Message-ID: <20000720103756.A49001@mithrandr.moria.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 10:01:43AM +0200 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 2000-07-20 (10:01), Brad Knowles wrote: > > ORBS consistently attempts to pass email through other people's machines > > through the use of spoofed headers. This is illegal in many jurisdictions. > > IMO, a single spoofed header is SPAM and network abuse. > > No, they don't spoof any headers at all. In fact, they clearly > label all the test e-mail they send as being from their testing > server. > > They do try all the same standard tricks on the sender and > recipient addresses that junkmailers are known to try, to see if the > machine in question might not properly look inside quotes, or > mistakenly think that they can trust the claimed envelope sender as > opposed to looking at the IP address, etc.... > > However, this isn't spoofing headers. Of course, if I attempt to block their spam, by blackholing their traffic, or bouncing all mail from them, or whatever action I'd take with any other spammer, I get added to their list. Friendly, eh? While I tend to keep out of spam wars, I got really pissed off when the student server I was helping to administer was added to ORBS because it "shared a nameserver with" a machine at another university over 1000 kilometers away. Scary. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message