From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 6 13:14:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A963DAD4AC for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D99F06ED90 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [65.186.81.207] ([65.186.81.207:51641] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 2F/48-21563-0773E595; Thu, 06 Jul 2017 13:13:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1dT6au-0001tG-9H for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2017 13:13:20 +0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD did it again (still) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <27b3c757-1f00-a033-03f6-303a82ab65f2@columbus.rr.com> <3ce31ee2-5e35-d31c-71ca-dc95ece2dd61@intersonic.se> <020431a6-1a7d-d80e-0725-585c21f3ef27@columbus.rr.com> <563b14d5-ebfb-62b6-28ac-3ebbd663d067@intersonic.se> <8c1bb853-5eb0-4fae-ee26-5ff4684c2b3a@saunalahti.fi> <1499345128.3276.2.camel@gmail.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <3cbeca30-8801-d800-edcb-f64ea2f079e0@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:13:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1499345128.3276.2.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.88:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 13:14:29 -0000 On 07/06/17 08:45, Stephen Black wrote: > Not trying to be a smart ass, really, but personally think you may need > to consider your upgrade strategy. You kind of gloss over the fact > you're upgrading from 10.1 (which was released sometime in 2014) to > 11.0-p10, which is fairly recent. That is roughly three years of > development and changes, in essence, a whole lot of work. You didn't > mention checking /usr/ports/UPDATING, which certainly would show tons > of changes, especially for someone building from source. I would > absolutely expect an upgrade aproached in this way to fail, and would > be shocked if it "just worked". Sending an email just complaining about > something that is completely free for you to use helps no one, and > aggravates people who appreciate all the work that goes into > maintaining a completely free OS. > Well FYI the upgrade base 10.1 to 11.0-p10 when as expected. Update the ports to the current quarterly was a tragic happening. I have done this before upgrade a desktop from 10.3 to 11.0-p0 then to 11.0-p9. Again the ports just did not work as it resulted in a broken desktop each time. I started using the quarterly ports branch thinking I get some stablilty. No stability to be found. Should I user be able to update without going thru a weeks worth of debugging? I think that is not too much to ask. I have doing this since RedHat 4.0 in the mid 1990's. I know how to build software. When I was using LFS I could go from LFS 5.0 to LFS 6.0 all the way to LFS &.5 and it always just worked. I thinking I'll need to return to my own scratch built linux system to find some stability I am looking for. FreeBSD not so much. Maybe OpenBSD will prove to be stable. I am not looking to update my system more than I change underwear, so I can chase the "Oh I have to have the latest". I am looking for stable/working. BTW have have you contributed to the thread?