From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Apr 21 17:00:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B55FFB2C06 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F04F07BA25; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (220-253-154-11.dyn.iinet.net.au [220.253.154.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w3LH0QVi049273 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: RFC: Hiding per-CPU kernel output behind bootverbose To: Stefan Blachmann , gljennjohn@gmail.com Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Colin Percival , Konstantin Belousov , Conrad Meyer References: <01000162df15f856-1e5d2641-2a72-4250-8d8e-adcd47bc5db4-000000@email.amazonses.com> <20180419204405.GE6887@kib.kiev.ua> <20180419214550.GF6887@kib.kiev.ua> <01000162e58a466e-98f0305b-1723-467a-bc49-342c3fa9fc5b-000000@email.amazonses.com> <20180421092049.GM6887@kib.kiev.ua> <20180421123544.56d7e690@ernst.home> From: Julian Elischer Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 01:00:21 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:00:39 -0000 On 21/4/18 9:03 pm, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > For example, it is just amazing to see how all reports about massive > flaws in kernel microcode detection/updating and all offered patches > are being blatantly ignored for many years. See for example: > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192487 yes I saw that but Only a handful of people know what's going on there so 99% of the developers just stood back and said "I hope someone who understands this picks it up". I didn't follow the one response I saw. So I couldn't decide on who had the better argument.