From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 13:25:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8898010656A7 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B01E8FC1D for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D9916C018F; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:23:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4TDN8Wb001687; Fri, 29 May 2009 15:23:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:23:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090529152308.b39a3411.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090528220640.77ebc490.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528165247.665ae52c@scorpio> <200905290934.36220.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:25:13 -0000 On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:48:29 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > maybe yet? but yes - i think the first poster exaggerated things. UE > doesn't (yet?) fights with open standard. They even say they are promoting > it. Of course best they can do is not to do anything. In fact, they're simply ignoring it. > If they would like to really punish MS, fines will be much higher and > MEANINGFUL to microsoft. But that's not intended, as you pointed out. The situation SHOULD not change; the question is just: How can we (the EU) get some money out of this situation, and maybe repeat it at another time (which requires that nothing changes)? > The government is always a SOURCE, not solution to a problem. I may illustrate this with an example from Germany: Politicians, accompanied by their counselors from the industry, released rules about what software to use in schools and in professional schools, in ministries, in executive organs. This choice is always "Windows" (allthough obviously outdated versions), and only in the mission critical fields mainframes are used (IBM mostly, and Siemens). This leads to two important facts: 1. Children who learn in school do only learn "Windows". They get knowledge that they can't use on more modern "Windows" systems anymore. Example: In school they have "Windows 2000" with "Word '97". Then, they encounter "Windows XP" with some newer "Office" (in worst case, the one with that strange GUI concept). 2. Educational companies who educate professional pupils (in preparation for a job) are explicitely regulated which "Windows" to use. They get money if they meet the requirements. This money, of course, comes from taxes (and I'm sure you know where taxes come from). As soon as a company would say, "We want to prepare our pupils for the growing importance of Linux and UNIX in the corporate world, so we want to offer a class for Linux beginners", they would get no money for it (allthough Linux itself is free of charge, PCs aren't). In these settings where "Windows" is used, there's almost no one who can administer the systems nearly correctly. This is because of the misbelief that "Windows" administers itself. In some cases, the maintainers of the PC classes even don't bother installing expensive MICROS~1 products that they got a pirated copy of on 30 PCs. The teachers sometimes even don't have a clue about what they should teach. Pupils leaving these edicational companies treat PCs like worse typewriters and usually aren't able to use any kind of text processing software halfways properly. When they enter a job, they recognize that they haven't learned anything useful. Nobody cares. You see: Politicians (those who are responsible for the decisions made) create their own problems - they are the source of the problems. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...