From owner-freebsd-security Fri Sep 29 0: 4:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C68537B423 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13euNA-00005F-00; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:14:20 -0600 Message-ID: <39D4414B.E697CACC@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:14:20 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: Drew Derbyshire , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysinstall DOESN'T ASK, dangerous defaults! References: <39CB4C42.1A59669C@kew.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000923222349.04919900@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000927214450.04c02ec0@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > > >Of COURSE an super-experienced hacker can determine why ftp, telnet, and > >mail don't work out of the box and fix these user-hostile mistakes. > > If you think that people don't want things to work out of the box, > you have not been listening. No, Brett, it is you who have been consistenly demanding that FreeBSD break the standard installation for everyone just to save you some work you're supposedly paid to do. And you once again just completely side-stepped the issue of doing anything about it yourself. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message