From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Oct 14 01:50:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874F0E34827; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x242.google.com (mail-ua0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 477F781B71; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x242.google.com with SMTP id s41so6448755uab.10; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3rlXma3ZwBMFSoOR5TTiOnZPidAOhB9tJ+FPyeAyXFQ=; b=fr0C/hNRNWEQW1RU6h7LD0R6uT3llP8Wy9Tpu0Oh9PdursOxT4uo1xeKtXNm/co1xx 7A0Mvu0NQBAFTNqIOW35nQNVsVj9G88fPddlT/gnXIECvBsjo2adKDGuR3oXaYVkHbjz 6sSAOLY/mCTcso8iM+4ONWgqtmUxWJSxy1HzKZjDC/DD6d7ergEYWtSfldPx8hrdULR+ DP0C4AyaXKl4KnBwMV9/wHijsg0U1vz9iluEi67kT2Pu64EJTonIp9lC06eAeARJ2ld1 H/eOdUA6syNdV0p7Y/J/l1xxXL4OO3JlxKfJBlZMtsGkBo73oSRB5PmD+x6sgt/D5wsx 7eZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3rlXma3ZwBMFSoOR5TTiOnZPidAOhB9tJ+FPyeAyXFQ=; b=edGtfLpK4991C2KLABOe+WwwUBAFaY+B2ZXtfuFlE0ubD9hF8h5K6Jy6t/sfEX2fph AJL4+uKnZOLeqpI6fNwweBgOKwfJCJma99EMPpvzqilXs1pSexysqU19qSSqU5KxD786 XIYhNZZjhSL/T/Hfmbt0wHqZ4hJYsz1Fa/TpoeDWGoi15JQwkgRZiNfSaXjwRcmJ2wK/ pZpYelVDrhqkrC7PGWfs4CVUDTGtx829DBQA62cmvdWK0nXCm5C2ao+Mw3bRtsvXHayR rVBbfYDshgYOF6T6yHRfw/F8x2Mry2fs/H1CwYuRd2OE2gb0jtkOM00Cl3aGP1YvmnkF k0Ag== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXUoc1D8YNL2my5Vv3h98e9jdLTNCFUW+VxxmNdWGE1d4nXI9Ox LJk0x4xuHk26VLe3OtsrcVGCYW6Lotnh7Wm+LEZgQA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBi2etPYGXUWLktm2EaxQ5mJD4Hkqcg24ZeeF0xdLJtWzL3Jf2RgbW+lNRSOLYU9J3DGTJe4S6Vzf4SC4oxN4E= X-Received: by 10.176.75.195 with SMTP id b3mr2628042uag.51.1507945853438; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.50.129 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:50:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: grarpamp Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 21:50:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Power9 Inexpensive Development Testbed To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, freebsd-performance@freebsd.org, info@freebsdfoundation.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 01:50:55 -0000 On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 5:59 PM, grarpamp wrote: > With Power8 aging and Power9 shipping... Consider picking up a > couple of these to support the development of getting FreeBSD going > on the bare iron without hypervisor. FreeBSD being a member already, > good support for this effort should be available from the OpenPOWER > Foundation / IBM. They seem to want to make Power9 and beyond happen > in a big way. Linux also has support for Power9. > > A barebones selfbuilt machine for the dev cluster would cost about > $3200-$3500, and/or donation could be solicited from OpenPOWER > Foundation. > > https://raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ > https://raptorcs.com/content/base/faq.html > https://github.com/open-power > https://github.com/openbmc > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER9 > https://openpowerfoundation.org/ > > Just an FYI for those unfamiliar, including potential users. > > This thread could be updated to list other Power9 > hardware sources as they become known by > the FreeBSD community. Adding some more "official" links about this CPU and platform for anyone interested. Some of them may refer to Power8, which can be viewed as carrying over plus better to Power9. The Open Power Foundation / IBM full release, marketing, and public availability of Power9 seems to be set for 2018q1. So expect more vendors and so forth at that time. *** Note that this platform apparently does not have any closed source firmware / microcode or BIOS blobs. That means no Intel AMT / ME, no AMD PSP, etc. Programming documentation should be available. And seems to perform competetively on a number of fronts / tasking. *** https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/op_qemu_gl.php https://www.raptorengineering.com/content/base/canary.htm https://secure.raptorcs.com/blog/08212017001.php https://social.raptorengineering.io/main/public https://www.reddit.com/user/madscientist159 https://twitter.com/RaptorEng https://twitter.com/RaptorCompSys https://www.reddit.com/user/stwcx https://wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPOWER_Foundation https://www.ibm.com/power/operating-systems/linux https://www.ibm.com/Search/?q=power9 https://twitter.com/ibmpowerlinux http://tyan.com/campaign/OpenPOWER/ http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/only-a-short-time-left-to-pre-order-the-talos-ii-pre-orders-end-september-15th You can search some third party sites for performance, news, and reviews. Search on "openpower" or "power9". https://twitter.com/search?q=power9 https://www.nextplatform.com/?s=power9 https://www.servethehome.com/?s=openpower https://www.anandtech.com/SearchResults?q=openpower http://www.storagereview.com/search/node/openpower https://hn.algolia.com/?query=power9&sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=story Some articles that have appeared... https://www.nextplatform.com/2016/04/06/inside-future-google-rackspace-power9-system/ https://www.nextplatform.com/2017/09/19/power9-rollout-begins-summit-sierra/ https://blog.rackspace.com/the-latest-zaius-barreleye-g2-open-compute-openpower-server https://www.enterprisetech.com/2014/07/15/open-sourced-bios-helps-power8-compete-x86/ http://www.theplatform.net/2015/03/23/inside-the-rackspace-openpower-megaserver/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12351319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14956257 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.8-More-POWER9 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Power-Changes-Linux-4.12 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Raptor-Talos-2-Teaser https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Talos-2-POWER9-Pre-Order https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Talos-2-FSF-RYF-Possible FreeBSD status... https://wiki.freebsd.org/POWER8 https://www.freebsdnews.com/2015/03/04/freebsd-power8-its-alive-2/ https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=279189 https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2015-01-2015-03.html#FreeBSD-on-POWER8 https://reviews.freebsd.org/search/query/oIdoWWKTe71p/ Sorry don't know which list is best, perhaps hardware@? Anyway, happy hacking :)