From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 11 04:08:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7B216A41F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:08:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C132443D45 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:08:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=grokwell.org) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1EwXHI-000468-TG for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:08:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:08:12 -0600 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060110220812.1a51b70a@grokwell.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20060109081209.114ce611@grokwell.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc8e5914839f00b531462abbd8a4dfbf1a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 Subject: Re: Flash Petition (Was Re: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:08:12 -0000 On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:45:13 -0600 Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 1/9/06, Andrew L. Gould wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:32:48 -0600 > > Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > > > On 1/8/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 1/5/06, Frank Laszlo wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> K=F6vesd=E1n G=E1bor wrote: > > > > >>> Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> On 1/4/06, James Cornell wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!! > > > > >>>> http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> I've signed it and posted it to a Hungarian open-source > > > > >>> community, but I think it would be nice if somebody from the > > > > >>> doc team can add it to the news on the website, so I cc'd > > > > >>> freebsd-doc@, I hope this helps geting Adobe to release a > > > > >>> working Flash for FreeBSD. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Gabor Kovesdan > > > > >> > > > > >> Not to rain on the parade, but since when has one of those > > > > >> online petitions done any good? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It may be trivial but at least I did something to rectify it. > > > > > Talking about are problems will get us nowhere unless we also > > > > > do. Do you have a better plan of action? > > > > > > > > The problem is, anyone can sign a petition, even those that > > > > don't, nor will ever, use the software, which is what makes them > > > > meaningless :( > > > > > > > > You really need to get someone on the inside that is using > > > > FreeBSD and push from that direction ... unless its a product > > > > you can pay for, and then you make the dollars speak for you ... > > > > > > I make all IT, purchasing, decisions at my company. I suspect most > > > other senior IT folk also make or have strong influence in, > > > purchasing, decisions at their company's. What are the > > > demographics for people who use FreeBSD? I suspect a higher then > > > normal percentage of senior IT folk make up the ranks. Here's an > > > excellent example of the point I'm trying to make: Last year my > > > company wanted to build a flash website. I put my foot down and > > > said no, not everyone can use or see flash websites. Macromedia > > > lost a $999 dollar sale. > > > > > > > > > > > What about the FreeBSD Foundation ... maybe something that they > > > > can organize? > > > > > > I'm all for that and other organisations getting involved, maybe > > > they can actually do something too. > > > > How about a campaign where every time a FreeBSD user comes across a > > Flash website, he/she sends the webmaster an email stating that we > > can't see their content because Flash is not available for > > FreeBSD? I wonder if we could generate a noticeable volume. > > >=20 > I remember Firefox / Mozilla having a system like this. They had a > website that you could post / list sites that didn't work with the > browser, then we would send complaints to the site owners. Maybe we'll be lucky and gnash will help make this issue moot: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2006011002026NWSWRL http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ There are times I wish I knew more about programming than a few commands in Python and SQL. Andrew