From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 09:10:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C249116A41F; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:10:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6793743D49; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:10:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0599tpQ006510; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:10:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id k0599fOE005245; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:09:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id k0599exY005241; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:09:40 -0800 From: Jo Rhett To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Message-ID: <20060105090940.GE1358@svcolo.com> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217220021.GB93998@svcolo.com> <20051218023725.GM63497@over-yonder.net> <20051222210904.GH39174@svcolo.com> <20051223030813.GD63497@over-yonder.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051223030813.GD63497@over-yonder.net> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:10:44 -0000 On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 09:08:13PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > Having done full OS upgrades a number of times, I can't remember the > last time it took more than 5 or 10 minutes (during most of which the When the servers are in 17 countries around the world, with no CD-ROM access. You keep missing the point about "not your home computer". > > Back to the point, the comments aren't "bad". Your idea that binary > > operating system upgrades from ISO are "easier" demonstrates that > > you're talking about home computers, not production servers. > > Oh, no. Heck, I find that upgrades from SOURCE are "easier". In > fact, just last month I bought my first CD burner, so it wasn't until > a few weeks ago that I even burned my first ISO (and that, just to > test the burner and figure out how to do it), and I've never booted or > installed off one. For small groups of servers, I NFS mount > installworlds, and for larger groups, I rdist out binaries. But it > always comes from source. You can't do source installations on flash-based systems. You can't do NFS across the Internet (we don't even have RPC working at all on production systems) -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation