Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:41:51 -0500 (EST) From: spork <spork@super-g.com> To: Robert Nordier <rnordier@nordier.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, "Oben O. Candemir" <dunya@one.net.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD IRC channels and ??quality?? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.00.9901191136230.7292-100000@super-g.inch.com> In-Reply-To: <199901191332.PAA15489@ceia.nordier.com>
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Perhaps it would be best to go watch the channel and decide for yourself
whether it's a 'vast wasteland' or not. I'd not really used IRC before,
but a quick pkg_add and there I was, and it really wasn't that bad. I saw
about 8 people come in and ask for help ranging from "what do I need to
build a kernel" to "Can someone hack telnetd to support virtual hosts"...
Some answers were hurried (considering the folks answering were conversing
with others), but none were really rude. I saw one person repeatedly
kicked by someone else, not sure why.
My only real surprise was some of the nicks in use. I mean, comeon,
"DrZiplok"??? :)
IRC is weird. I think I'll stay away, but it wasn't really a concrete
dildo fest over there. I was a bit surprised to see so many of the brass
chatting. That's just my own bias, we try not to hire tech support people
that 'use', as it seems to be an addiction in some circles.
Charles
---
Charles Sprickman
spork@super-g.com
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"...there's no idea that's so good you can't
ruin it with a few well-placed idiots."
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Robert Nordier wrote:
> Various people wrote:
>
> | I think this will be your last visit to -chat; you have nothing
> | worth reading to contribute to it.
>
> | I read chat and know it's an unrestricted, casual conversation sort
> | of thing, but that doesn't mean I tolerate just any kind of noise.
> | Oben Candemir earned a /dev/null entry in my procmailrc after about
> | three postings.
>
> | Every syllable that oozes from your mouth reflects badly on all
> | newbies. Actions like yours are part of the cause of intolerance.
>
> | Oh, come on. Eric Raymond may be a Linux zealot who for some reason
> | is struck with utter blindness wrt BSD, but he's no idiot.
>
> It seems rather mean-spirited to continue to attack someone in
> public who has been denied the further means to defend himself.
> (Assuming, that Jordan has had Oben excluded from the list, as
> appeared to be his intention.)
>
> Personally, I was appalled how quickly what began as a mostly-
> reasonable suggestion was escalated (as much by a dismissive and
> patronizing tone on the FreeBSD side as by any contribution from
> Mr Candemir) to such a degree of unpleasantness.
>
> This kind of thing does no-one credit; and blithely pretending the
> faults were all on Mr Candemir's side is neither a particularly
> constructive attitude, nor a markedly mature response, in the wake
> of a regrettable incident.
>
> --
> Robert Nordier
>
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