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Date:      Sun, 10 May 2015 05:40:19 +0000
From:      Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Jordan Hubbard <jordan.hubbard@gmail.com>, Tim Kientzle <tim@kientzle.com>, freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: RPi2 support...
Message-ID:  <20150510054019.GW94075@hub.FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-VmonnCMcKB0zEL=rOvhMnE4f24agV8EsZ6LHPtkhXhoQzNg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 10:24:34PM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> gjb didn't like how development wasn't freebsd-releng-friendly (but
> really, which upstream vendor project is in all honesty) so he's
> rolled a replacement that's just landed in head. Time will tell which
> will work out better.
>=20

My recent commit is not about "being better than Crochet", it is about
providing an in-tree build method (for RE purposes) that can be
reproduced.  For people that do not need to do pristine-environment,
reproducible builds, I encourage the use of Crochet.

> Me, I'm completely ignoring /all of that/ because I'm fed up with
> building things as root and having to do loopback mounts to build
> things and loopback devices to create filesystems. My mips stuff does
> everything 100% as a user, and it's actually really damned pleasant.
> I'd love to see FreeBSD move to that model but I have a feeling it'll
> be fighting against lazy developers who are used to having root
> everywhere.
>=20

I personally fail to see the reasoning behind this, but I'm looking at
things from an entirely different perspective, I suppose.  While it's
great that your tools provide a mechanism to produce a build as
non-root, FreeBSD releases are built as the root user.

Glen


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