From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 13 17:04:54 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1E1B97FDF for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DDED14DC for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 382BB5BA6 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/382BB5BA6; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Any idea why freebsd.org is using PayPal for donations ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:04:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8kHc26QnSJGeroGEs4fnpSIFHAiu8IDP8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:04:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --8kHc26QnSJGeroGEs4fnpSIFHAiu8IDP8 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="BMB6CsuaS5PMiBssCHqK2tGTsWRelapkg" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any idea why freebsd.org is using PayPal for donations ? References: In-Reply-To: --BMB6CsuaS5PMiBssCHqK2tGTsWRelapkg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016/07/13 17:34, Manish Jain wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I yesterday made a very small donation of USD 10 to FreeBSD via my=20 > credit card. The amount is trifling, by all standards, but it made me=20 > happy. But I was mighty unhappy that FreeBSD donations at freebsd.org=20 > are now crafted by PayPal. In my opinion, PayPal is a bunch of thugs wh= o=20 > charge 2x for everything they do. >=20 > For making my donation, PayPal first set up a 'handshake' transaction o= f=20 > USD 1. I had no option but to accept that transaction too. So I ended u= p=20 > donating USD 10 to FreeBSD, and USD 1 to PayPal. As much as I want to=20 > donate to FreeBSD, I also want that none of my money ends up as booty=20 > with PayPal, a company I absolutely hate for its business model,=20 > practice and internal work ethos (I have worked at PayPal for 6 months = > to know how bad things are at PayPal). >=20 > The way the system works, I can't reclaim my USD 1 that now enriches=20 > PayPal accounts. You will have donated via the FreeBSD Foundation as the legal entity behind the project (ie. something that can run bank accounts and disperse monies.) It's actually a Foundation webpage that you get to by clicking on the 'Donate' button on www.freebsd.org. Now, that donations page gives you 4 different ways to donate money to the project, of which PayPal is only one alternative. 'Click & Pledge' looks to me like pretty much like what you would have wanted instead of PayPal. However, if you're unsure, why not ask the FF people? There's a form here: https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/contact-us/ or there's phone numbers and e-mail addresses on that page. Quite apart from anything else, they will be very glad to get feedback on the methods they provide for handling donations. 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