From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 18 20:54:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1AE1065671 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=e70a9b93b4b0ad0d6c100e9a693e4568a743718a=644=es.net=oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:14:3::6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2408FC1C for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=e70a9b93b4b0ad0d6c100e9a693e4568a743718a=644=es.net=oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id YXU11456; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:54:56 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id E23824500F; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:54:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:22:52 BST." <47E0249C.8030700@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1205873695_31213P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:54:55 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20080318205455.E23824500F@ptavv.es.net> X-Sender-IP: 198.128.4.29 X-Sender-Domain: es.net X-Recipent: ; ; ; X-Sender: X-To_Name: Kris Kennaway X-To_Domain: freebsd.org X-To: Kris Kennaway X-To_Email: kris@FreeBSD.org X-To_Alias: kris Cc: Marko Lerota , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading to 7.0 - stupid requirements X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:54:59 -0000 --==_Exmh_1205873695_31213P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:22:52 +0100 > From: Kris Kennaway > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > Marko Lerota wrote: > > Kris Kennaway writes: > > > >>> Then the servers. Why should I reinstall all my databases and such? > >>> I always > >>> liked that FreeBSD base (OS) is separated from packages. And no > >>> matter what I do with the packages, my OS will always work. I don't > >>> want dependency > >>> hell like in Linux. Now you are telling me that my database might not work > >>> after upgrade to a new version. Is that it? > >> First, try to relax. > > > > Sorry, but I'm pissed off now, not relax any more. > > > >> portupgrade -faP requests to reinstall everything from precompiled > >> packages. It will only fall back to compiling them locally if the > >> package is unavailable (e.g. for legal reasons). > > > > It passed two days from portupgrade -faP, and it didn't finished yet. > > To be worse, I have to do it again because the PC had to be rebooted. > > So in the next 2-3 days I can sit with my PC and wait with him to > > finish the upgrade. It will be three days because of Openoffice!@#!@#!@#!. > > Are you connected via a modem or something? 2-3 days to download some > packages cannot be right if you have a decent internet connection. > > > And I have to pray the god that I don't have the power loss. > > Now apache and acroread doesn't work any more and I'm afraid that > > I'll find some other stuff that don't work too. > > > > So can anyone tell me this is not stupid??? Reinstalling all > > applications because of upgrade? This can be called new > > installation. Not upgrade. > > > > Now I'm thinking that It would be much easier that I backup my files, > > databases and other stuff and do fresh installation. But why???? > > So I can do the same thing when 8_0 comes out? > > > > This is the worst thing that I found about FreeBSD for now. > > This have to be changed or fixed somehow, because the upgrade > > is not possible if you have lots of ports installed, and > > certainly can't be called upgrade! > > > > I'm sorry you feel that way, but you haven't understood the explanations > that you have been given already. Or, is the system failing to retrieve the packages and failing over to building the ports? This would take a long time! I always tee the output of portupgrade to a file so, if it dies in the middle, it's pretty easy to pick up where it left off and not re-build everything twice. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. 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