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Date:      Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:22:45 -0700
From:      Allen Campbell <allenc@verinet.com>
To:        Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Lets Endorse KDE
Message-ID:  <36B68BA5.86D5DFDD@verinet.com>
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Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> 
> "Jason C. Wells" <jcwells@u.washington.edu> writes:
> > Again, making KDE a default will help new users. Thos of us who know how
> > to swing our X configs to and fro don't need or necessarily like KDE.
> > Don't judge this issue on the fact that KDE is not a 20 year development.
> > Judge this issue on the help KDE will provide newbies. Put yourself in a
> > non-cs degreed non-programmer non-unix users shoes and then look at the
> > issue.
> 
> I mostly agree with Jason on this point. Making KDE an easily-
> installable option, if not the default (remember, even XFree(& isn't
> installed by default), and having somebody look after KDE to make sure
> it works out of the box, may (will?) do wonders for FreeBSD's
> popularity with the "masses".
> 
> I am considering switching to KDE myself (I've used twm / tvtwm so
> far, but it has a few annoying bugs which I haven't been able to fix;
> its greatest strength is simplicity). It's either that or Windowmaker;
> if I end up using KDE, I'll certainly be willing to help maintaining a
> "newbie's KDE package".

I am really encouraged by the ratio of positive remarks about KDE to
those of its detractors in this thread.  I have become rather accustomed
to the anti-KDE dogma.  I personally find KDE to be an excellent general
purpose desktop for my day-to-day personal and professional use.  When
shown to neophytes they make an immediate connection.  KDE 1.1 is
shaping up to be a nice refinement release; it is good to see that KDE
development has had the discipline to focus on the details and I am
really looking forward to it.

Along with the clueless masses attracted by shiny things like GUI
desktops, come a certain number of developers who find mpegs more
interesting than mbufs.  This is exactly what is needed for multimedia
progress.  When you think about it, an engaging desktop environment is a
necessity to foster this sort of work.  A well integrated and polished
desktop has done an inestimable amount of 'good' for the RedHat and
Caldera crowd.

If you want a successful FreeBSD Desktop Contest, I would suggest that
the incentive of rewarding the winner by adopting the result would be a
good start at a second attempt.  KDE is highly theme-able and is easily
tailored to be very functional and provide a unique result.  I envision
the kdm login screen with Chuck decorating the scene in a muted red
background appearing right off the RELEASE distribution CD.

Is there a genuine possibility that KDE could be adopted as default[1]
desktop?  I dare say that KDE is worthy of it.  We have the opportunity
to bless KDE with an entire operating system, as opposed to just
YALD[2].  You bring these people into the fold and you _will_ get a
multimedia desktop.


[1] Avoid the word 'standard' here.

[2] Yet Another Linux Distribution

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