Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 03:54:13 +0200 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: Lars Eighner <luvbeastie@larseighner.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Keep using syscons -- how? Message-ID: <20141023035413.e5335aeb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1410221805320.94748@abbf.ynefrvtuareubzr.pbz> References: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1410220417480.92223@abbf.ynefrvtuareubzr.pbz> <20141022072744.9a7574eb.freebsd@edvax.de> <alpine.BSF.2.11.1410220720480.92707@abbf.ynefrvtuareubzr.pbz> <alpine.BSF.2.11.1410220920430.56146@wonkity.com> <alpine.BSF.2.11.1410221805320.94748@abbf.ynefrvtuareubzr.pbz>
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:12:50 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Warren Block wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Lars Eighner wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Polytropon wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 04:25:12 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: > >>>> What do I have to do or not do to keep being able to use syscons in VGA > >>>> mode? Is there any way to keep the ability to switch between xwindows and > >>>> syscons (in VGA i.e. text mode)? > >>> > >>> Allow me a more general question. I'm not asking as > >>> a "means of insult", but because I'm really interested > >>> in the answer: > >>> > >>> Why not use terminal emulators (xterm, rxvt, konsole, > >>> gnome-terminal etc.) inside an X session? > >> > >> Because raster fonts are illegible compared to vga fonts, > > > > The text-mode fonts are raster fonts, too. > > I don't understand this. There are raster text modes, but 80x24 VGA has > never been called "raster" that I know of. This is just a "terminology issue": The fonts displayed in the 80x25 (I think it's really 25 lines, not 24) are stored in the graphics card, whereas the VGA-based console uses fonts supplied and graphics generated by the OS, which are of course a raster representation. The graphics card can also generate characters for alternate fonts, but as far as I understand, those fonts are "stored" in the card and only selected by the OS, so you can't display characters that the card does not have in its memory - of course it stores its characters in a raster format as well. I hope I didn't say something stupid. ;-) > >> Text mode is robust. That is really the bottom line. > > > > Use vt(4) in text mode: > > Yes, just like Linux. What I am asking is where do I have to freeze to > avoid this? At what point is cons25l1 and xwindows to vtty switching still > available? I think FreeBSD 9 will do, whereas FreeBSD 10.1 will probably have the new environment by default... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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