From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Mon Jul 31 16:23:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F66DB353F for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (hades.sorbs.net [72.12.213.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C85A82A79 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Received: from isux.com (firewall.isux.com [213.165.190.213]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0OTY0085ZR7I5G00@hades.sorbs.net> for freebsd-security@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2017 09:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: DefCon lecture BSD Kern Vulns To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=c3=b8rgrav?= Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org References: <26de0aed-8151-6105-188f-ad0c6c6cf8b8@erdgeist.org> <86y3r4ubvx.fsf@desk.des.no> <84c3e9d0-3d44-b310-a946-96eb0c54e79d@sorbs.net> <861sowy5ay.fsf@desk.des.no> From: Michelle Sullivan Message-id: <644048d0-b9cb-606b-814d-fb68fe657bf9@sorbs.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:22:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46 In-reply-to: <861sowy5ay.fsf@desk.des.no> X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:23:05 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Michelle Sullivan writes: >> People should talk between, and maybe people should put security and >> co-operation before pride and empires... [...] > There are decades of history here of which you are clearly unaware. > Your may have the best of intentions, but nothing good will come of > raising this topic here and now. Just drop it. > > DES I know some (though definitely not all) of the histor, I've been around a long while... but it was worth a comment/try... sooner or later someone has to try again. -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/