From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 20 1:40:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (ftp.webmaster.com [209.10.218.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562AE37BC8B for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([216.152.68.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:40:01 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Brad Knowles" , "Brett Glass" , "Rahul Siddharthan" , Subject: RE: ORBS vs MAPS Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:40:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 5:48 PM -0700 2000/7/19, David Schwartz wrote: > > > ORBS consistently attempts to pass email through other > > people's machines > > through the use of spoofed headers. This is illegal in many > > jurisdictions. > > IMO, a single spoofed header is SPAM and network abuse. > No, they don't spoof any headers at all. In fact, they clearly > label all the test e-mail they send as being from their testing > server. > They do try all the same standard tricks on the sender and > recipient addresses that junkmailers are known to try, to see if the > machine in question might not properly look inside quotes, or > mistakenly think that they can trust the claimed envelope sender as > opposed to looking at the IP address, etc.... > However, this isn't spoofing headers. So you are saying that if they are testing 'mail.foo.com', they don't try claiming that their mail is from 'foo@mail.foo.com'? If not, they wouldn't catch open relays that allow any mail with a local sender address. I find that _very_ hard to believe. DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message