From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 19 23:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDDF16A400 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from mindfull.spc.org (mindfull.spc.org [83.167.185.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5820B43D55 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:43:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([83.167.185.2]) by mindfull.spc.org with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWMKg-00028J-Iz; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:43:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E19665499; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:43:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 79692-06-2; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:43:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by arginine.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1078) id 43A8E653F9; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:43:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:43:43 +0100 From: Bruce M Simpson To: cokane@cokane.org Message-ID: <20060419234343.GG28496@spc.org> Mail-Followup-To: Bruce M Simpson , cokane@cokane.org, Eric Anderson , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20060419040716.4F26116A45F@hub.freebsd.org> <20060419095207.GC19339@wjv.com> <44462C07.4030903@centtech.com> <444634C1.9080206@centtech.com> <346a80220604190746n69a74a67te58599f743312cab@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <346a80220604190746n69a74a67te58599f743312cab@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: Incunabulum X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mindfull.spc.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - spc.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:43:53 -0000 On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:46:09AM -0400, Coleman Kane wrote: > My point is that we should let our purist values get in the way of others' > enhanced experience using the system. My view is: We take the patch, as long as it doesn't interfere with the internal machinations of rc too much. There are good aesthetic and functional arguments on either side. Given the excellent work on rc to date, we have clean abstractions in rc itself, so fitting colour-aesthetics in does not have a high maintenance cost. I agree strongly with the functional arguments however and think that this stuff shouldn't be turned on by default. I think that it should be available in the base system for those who wish it. I feel that this should be both for aesthetic reasons and for promoting FreeBSD to the ultimate end, that is, to potential users, who may find it easier to relate to FreeBSD if the console messages are in colour, no matter how irrational that may seem to some! Regards, BMS