From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 19 19:00:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554F416A41F for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:00:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (mail.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDD743D45 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:59:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1EdXwM-0000nY-S8; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:59:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20051119192941.zuo0kgggw4ck4o88@webmail.spamcop.net> References: <20051119192941.zuo0kgggw4ck4o88@webmail.spamcop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:59:58 -0700 To: Gilbert Fernandes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on hobbiton.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tedm@toybox.placo.com Subject: Re: Mach kernel and Unix over 68k : well before OS X (Was: Status of 6.0 for production systems) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:00:00 -0000 Additionally, Apple had AU/X running on Macs before even machten. Natively. Chad On Nov 19, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Gilbert Fernandes wrote: >> Consider that when MacOS moved to UNIX that all the UNIX software >> vendors could now easily port their applications to Macintosh. > > Excuse me, sir. > > Your discussion is pretty impressive and I have been reading it > with care. Honestly, I am far from having a distant enough picture > of the whole say to comment about what the discussion is about > (and to be honest, I am not even sure I do know exactly what > the point of the discussion is - please forgive me). > > But "Unix" has been available for MacOS users for a long time, > far before MacOS X went out and using a Mach kernel. > > It has been since 1996, over a Mach kernel. > > Years ago, I worked for the crypto military branch of my country. We > used Unix-based programs for some of our work. > > I had a Powerbook 190 and I needed Unix over it. After some time > thinking it was not possible, I have found that MachTen did sold a > Unix > for x86 that worked upon a Mach kernel. You installed it on your MacOS > and launched it from there. And you then had Unix running there, > over a > Mach kernel, with X too. You had both at the same time, running > friendly > together on screen and inter-operable. > > Vendors did not wait for Apple to let them run Unix software by using > MacOS X. Before MacOS X got out, you could already run a Mach kernel > over your Mac and compile almost anything there (anyway, all crypto > programs I ever needed compiled there - it took a few monthes). I used > it over MacOS 7.5.2 then 7.5.3 and 8.1 but I came back to 7.5.3 later. > > Motorola-based Powerbook with Mach kernel, happily compiling and > running > Unix programs with a perfect X working. > > I still got the product box and everything in mint condition : > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gilbert.fernandes/remembering2.html#190 > > The first MacOS X release went out in January 1999 (and the first > public > beta a year after, 2000 - I bought it from the Paris Apple Expo). > > I hope you will both find this information interesting. Most people I > talk about MachTen product and running Mach kernel and Unix over my > old > Motorola-based 68k get pretty surprised about it. > > Now I got to start to read all this thread all again, so please excuse > me. Looks like I'm going to need.. some time :o) > > -- > unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; > fsck ; umount ; sleep --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad@shire.net