From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 4 11: 1:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A3D37B63D for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A1443FCF for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:01:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0327.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.72] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18g8JW-0006TY-00; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:00:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3E400D92.232AEBBE@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:59:30 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Davis Cc: tech-kern@netbsd.org, jdc@nterprise.net, arief@bna.telkomsel.co.id, tech@openbsd.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Technical Differences of *BSD and Linux References: <20030124184914.E7F1C2A7EA@canning.wemm.org> <1044332953.4362.65.camel@lohr.digitalglobe.com> <200302040528.AAA01316@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> <3E3F5710.D6F04347@mindspring.com> <20030204153717.GB13622@endersgame.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a444e942facb7c66af18b890be3089c59ca8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Davis wrote: > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:00:48PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > This is actually incorrect. At one point in time, the email > > address of the driver authors was printed out in boot messsages, > > under Linux. They had a "flag day" in which Linus removed all > > the printf's. This flag day was actually commercially motivated. > > Some (many?) Linux drivers still print out the e-mail addresses of the author. > I base this claim on the dmesg from a 2.4.something/alpha system I saw the other > day. There is a boot option to make them less noisy. I've had employers who would have liked an option to make the FreeBSD boot less noisy. Unfortunately, what they were actually concerned about was obfuscating the identity of the code they were running, rather than doing the right thing in this area, which would be to flag the types of messages you wanted logged to the console vs. logged to the console log, or the ability to override the verbosity level very early in the boot. It was possible to do what they wanted, but I was personally on the hook, should a significant customer problem arise in the field, because I was known to be the best diagnostician, so I needed the minimal set of diagnostic information, and a way to get the full set. Knowing that the intent of the change was to be obfuscation, which would make that job harder, failed to motivate me to work on that, as long as there were other high priority tasks on the task list which needed to be done, which were technical in nature, and marketing eye candy. I suppose if the number of priority tasks had ever drained out of the queue sufficiently long for the work to be done, I would have ended up doing it. Luckily, startups, for some managers, are all about creating crises, and then being seen by the VCs to be masterfully resolving them (e.g. compressing release cycles to once a quarter, etc.), and I never had enough free time to actually be in a position to have to deal with the otherwise absurd request. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message