From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 11 10:12:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5130F106564A for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46CF8FC0C for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q5BACClT081293; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:12:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:12:12 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Jerry In-Reply-To: <20120610232318.4B2111065779@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20120611194826.G46641@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20120610232318.4B2111065779@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:12:16 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 418, Issue 19, Message: 23 On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:56:49 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:06:26 +0200 > Julian H. Stacey articulated: [..] > >As a start here's : http://berklix.org/uefi/ > > > >URLs welcome. Contact names welcome. Volunteers welcome. > > It is posts like this that basically turn my stomach. A product, any > product, should succeed or fail based on its own merits and not because > some government agency aided or thwarted it. Most, it not nearly all PC > manufacturers exist solely because of Microsoft. The PC market balloons > every time Microsoft releases a new version of Windows. Seriously now, > how many PC were sold because FreeBSD released version 9 of its OS? If > you want to beat someone, you make a better product. You don't go > running to your mamma asking for protection. That stinks of > socialism/fascism. The UEFI specification has existed for years. > Supposedly, Linux has been capable of using it for 8+ years. I have > no idea if FreeBSD is even capable of handling it. It wouldn't > surprise me it if couldn't though. What this really tells me is that > there has been way to much procrastination by the FOSS. Microsoft > simply took advantage of an existing standard (remember "standards" > something the FOSS is always crying about) and now FOSS is begging for > mercy. This is more than just slightly funny, it is pathetic. If 1% of > the effort of spreading this BS over UEFI had gone into working on a > solution for UEFI two years ago, we wouldn't be having this discussion > at all. I'vw been wondering when this topic would summon our longest-serving resident troll for Microsoft out of the woodwork for a proper full-tilt rant, replete with inimitable "socialism/fascism" jibe. Gotta love it! Ian