From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 5 05:58:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C97216A4CE; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 05:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B573A43D4C; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 05:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])i55CvxuF017095; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:57:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)i55CvxSu017094; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:57:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:57:59 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: Edwin Groothuis , "Michael W. Lucas" , Robert Watson , Cyrille Lefevre , Hackers FreeBSD Message-ID: <20040605125759.GA17077@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> References: <00ce01c44458$8a28d880$7890a8c0@dyndns.org> <20040602135757.GC89452@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20040605115915.GA1149@k7.mavetju> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040605115915.GA1149@k7.mavetju> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: general Darwin imports (was Re: Darwin cmd import?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 12:58:19 -0000 On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:59:15PM +1000, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:57:57AM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > > People may gripe about Apple not returning stuff to the open source > > community. The truth is, they have. They aren't responsible for > > converting what they return into a format we can use, but they haven't > > deliberately obfuscated their code. Sorting out the diffs would be a > > pain, but not horribly difficult. > > > > According to Jordan Hubbard, the best source of low-hanging fruit is > > their modified libc. They've had people work out all sorts of bugs, > > clean up functions, performance improvements, etc. Libc changes > > require extensive testing. They also have wide-reaching benefits. > > It's still BSDL'd, so we can take back whatever we want. > > Now the question of course is: where can I find it? It is somewhere > in a CVS repository (that would be nicest), or are it raw sourcefiles > only? The URL of the source was referenced earlier in this thread, IIRC. > Edwin, now owning a Mac so not really familiar with things Neither am I. You might check out the opendarwin.org web site and see what they have to say on the issue. I suspect if you asked on their mailing list and said you wanted to start bringing stuff back to FreeBSD, they'd be happy to give you all the pointers you need. ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org "I'm sorry, but 'Social Darwinism' is no excuse for killing all of your co-workers." -- Ivan Brunetti http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/