From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 10 10:17:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEAB1065673; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.schuller@infidyne.com) Received: from smtp.infidyne.com (ds9.infidyne.com [88.80.6.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6288FC17; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.schuller@infidyne.com) Received: from c-a916e555.03-51-73746f3.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (c-a916e555.03-51-73746f3.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.229.22.169]) by smtp.infidyne.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C210279E6C; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:01:00 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Schuller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:02:28 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1442571.c9xNI2Xnyr"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200803101102.42533.peter.schuller@infidyne.com> Cc: Chris , Adrian Chadd , Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: FreeBSD bind performance in FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:17:05 -0000 --nextPart1442571.c9xNI2Xnyr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > The people complaining about hardware compatibility need > to pull their heads out. If they are buying brand new systems > they are utter fools if they don't check out in advance > what works and what doesen't. It's not like there's a > shortage of experienced people on this list who could > tell them what to buy. And if after the fact they find out > their shiny new PC won't run FreeBSD - then they take it > back to the retailer and exchange it for a different model. > Why is this so difficult? The difficulty is not in checking out hardware before hand, the problem is= =20 =46INDING hardware that satisfies your requirements. Just because I know th= at=20 NIC so-and-so is recommended, it does not mean that I can find a complete=20 server that: * Is within the budget. * Whose NIC is recommended for use in FreeBSD. * Whose disk/raid controller is recommended for use in FreeBSD - Including proper handling of write caching, cache flushing, etc * Is being sold in a fashion that is acceptable with respect to hardware=20 support / replacement parts. * Otherwise is known to work with well FreeBSD. If you are a large company buying 200 servers I'm sure it's not a problem t= o=20 get sample servers to try things on, or go for more expensive options just= =20 because of perceived FreeBSD compatibility.=20 If you're a poor sod trying to get *one* machine for personal or small-comp= any=20 use and you want something that works and is stable, especially if you want= =20 it rack mountable, it is NOT necessarily trivial. Part of it is the problem= =20 of finding a solution that meets the requirements, and parts of it is about= =20 figuring out whether a particular solution DOES meet the requirements. =46or example, once your cheaper Dell server has arrived and you suddenly n= otice=20 that it's delivered without a BBU, and clearly has write caching turned on= =20 based on performance, try asking (remember, this is a lonely customer with = a=20 single service) Dell hardware support whether that particular controller wi= ll=20 honor cache flush requests right down to the constituent drives... I did, a= nd=20 eventually got a response after 1-2 weeks. But the response was such that I= =20 could not feel confident that the question was accurately forwarded to the= =20 right individual. =2D-=20 / Peter Schuller PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller ' Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to getpgpkey@scode.org E-Mail: peter.schuller@infidyne.com Web: http://www.scode.org --nextPart1442571.c9xNI2Xnyr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBH1QdCDNor2+l1i30RAib3AKCrjKK4aI6tGOZB9mwm5BGBy/9YTQCg19lt fyqQQSluStAW9X3czd2joj0= =nQK3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1442571.c9xNI2Xnyr--