From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 13 5:41:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-201-166.mmcable.com [65.31.201.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BAEB337BD75 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 75496 invoked by uid 100); 13 Dec 2001 13:36:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15384.44753.782749.152450@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:36:17 -0600 To: "FreeBSD Chat" , "Mike Meyer" Subject: Re: EzBSD aint for me! Was: A breath of fresh air.. In-Reply-To: <008401c183a5$1f1cace0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <20011211140107.A67653@FreeBSD.org> <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <20011211144049.A14693@acidpit.org> <20011211214943.A4489@tisys.org> <15382.29599.349155.309028@guru.mired.org> <20011211230257.A5157@tisys.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20011212181551.015734a8@threespace.com> <15384.11772.363959.693167@guru.mired.org> <003701c18398$07091d30$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15384.17244.476714.955574@guru.mired.org> <004901c1839d$b273c440$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15384.19146.990082.336336@guru.mired.org> <005201c183a1$39ae92c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15384.20874.658211.478300@guru.mired.org> <008401c183a5$1f1cace0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.42/Python 2.1.1 (freebsd4) From: "Mike Meyer" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anthony Atkielski types: > Mike writes: > > I do. And I've seen people do that with Unix > > as well. Since it only takes one example to > > disprove such an assertion, your original > > assertion about Unix require an expert to > > set it up and maintain it is false. > I find that sufficiently implausible that I'd have to see it to believe it. > FreeBSD, in particular, cannot be installed by persons with no knowledge of > IT. Even installation of NT/2000 server requires that much. Odd, as I known people with no IT training whatsoever who have installed FreeBSD. Of course, they have also installed Windows, so they are more familiar with the OS installation process than the average Windows user. Which was what I was getting at when I asked tech_info the question you answered. In any case, FreeBSD - at least on x86 - isn't a particularly easy Unix install. Risc systems are typically much easier to install, as they don't have to worry about screwing up an existing installation of another OS. > > So if I give someone a floppy with a script that > > writes the appropriate configuration files on > > FreeBSD to talk to my favorite ISP, that wouldn't > > count as "outside assistance"? > If it is provided as an integral part of the complete installation package, > no, it would not count as outside assistance. Outside assistance means > having to ask someone questions or asking for intervention during the > process. AOL's CDROM's aren't part of "the complete installation package". They're an add-on package that configures the system to talk to AOL. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message