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Date:      Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:51:53 -0500
From:      Michael Grommet <mgrommet@isiar.net>
To:        "'CKimmerl@SARCOM.COM'" <CKimmerl@SARCOM.COM>, "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: "easy installation"!!!!! yeah right
Message-ID:  <7011ACE3864AD31183E50008C7FA081F01D52D@ISIMAIN>

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Ok, so let me get this straight...

you insult the group, the OS, and one of the most respected members of the
group, and
you expect help in return?

BSD/Linux takes a spirit for adventure.  If you don't have this, go back to
your windows software
as you will not be happy with either one.

Unix and unix-like operating systems will require you to actually learn how
things work and why.
You will be rewarded by added stability, speed, and most of all, the
satisfaction that you are wiser for the experience.

If you are the type of person who is interested in this arrangement, then
feel free to post intelligent,non-belligerent questions to this list and you
might be suprised at how friendly and helpful people can really be,
especially when they have a genuine love for the operating system.  

If not, then thats fine too.

However, I believe you owe the group, and Greg especially, a very sincere
apology.



Mike Grommet
Unix Systems Admin / Web Developer
Internet Solutions, Inc.
mgrommet@insolwwb.net




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
CKimmerl@SARCOM.COM
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 10:31 AM
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: "easy installation"!!!!! yeah right


You people are so far into this stuff that you don't know what "easy" means
anymore.  I tried to install FreeBSD 3.3 last night.  It was the most
difficult install I've ever seen.  Problems?  How would I know- I never knew
what it was doing.  It installed, I just didn't know what.  It is so geared
towards unix experienced geeks that a person unfamiliar with Unix is totally
lost.  Microsoftcopy sucks but they've got no competition from unix yet.  No
one can understand it and unix people can't make it understandable.  I
picked stuff from the menu, but the interface sucked so bad I wasn't sure
what I had installed.  I was so pissed that I erased it.  I chose FreeBSD
over Linux because it is supposed to be more stable, but only a hacker geek
can install this OS.  I'll try Linux, maybe it will be more easily
understood.  Greg Lehay's book was useless- it was so far up in geek land it
was amazing.  Of course, what can you expect from a guy who speaks 3
languages and went to school for chemistry, etc.  He can't write beginner
books, that's for sure.  Throughout the entire installation I found myself
wondering how anybody figures this shit out.  I'd appreciate any "PRACTICAL"
help as I do not want to give up on FreeBSD.

Sincerely,
-ChadK
chadk@freewwweb.com



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