From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Mon Dec 30 20:04:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E7C1E8CE3 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:04:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf33.google.com (mail-qv1-xf33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47mpL833wfz4Qm7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf33.google.com with SMTP id f16so12737976qvi.4 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:04:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=N3fDC5vGni+EGmI53GBweebpyYJh+vKuFVWLgo+Kh4U=; b=U9B1aHj77b5UoJkarVF6BOM7KHPEb9OHq+XQv8EuIV0UAmtgt41VZfC+4TrGr2JzdM YqUfhECtVY3PX6CP8e/K3uPAWLIcBMV8JwwxKhYhhu/JP+ZgJ5sjOGWxWRcBoZdwDVRc gAiaUfYAcvHMJMElPIZwD05ZqXmhThucCzqktLlizWu/G82X+FAaSwjJtzdsHZNjK1Us w/HjZPEztigKWo0mL+yRaawNXx/5k3vmGPms1+RdBAn3JeHoZ7H/7J5yjeYWKvWEcvjQ snFSSFKiwcAxg8fb//ORs7omFOphWKMB8uNiMqnKTNxrIGAVyWx1c+iivtc0HlJtlA2Q drMA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=N3fDC5vGni+EGmI53GBweebpyYJh+vKuFVWLgo+Kh4U=; b=CqV6NKF8iUTGZcJZng/OfCuLzPP8LBMyJlWmUxVV69ho3Wn4GS7qgTMPsDIHaPj73W 1/KEvUGXy0bs2KdKEVSFDLJByB3ruuwehsIMm34i5RnqT5qd6onx1Gg+mT5gVpjTgNxW v6WFqj/HO9JBRGXlbPF5cFZOn4vd9jqqh80r6jeQY4QEDsPwu8oKuS05YvzCAm5lwmKM eDcI9DGs8lYB1ZZ799wUo4M7W+f4QNZEgjpvTfDMim5Y7xq+NP5jBptIe2GTkbtcpBDt XeL8U5imDYoSwVe15Z01dNh+OM8J0Vk7QicZIhFf1dsZTyBREZANr0vNABlKs7ynTNQ/ r1yA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUzx5H5xkeWAnQw3e0+92B5oRfu47OxRuVnfqt3CJFg4Mn0dsj2 DozBgoV1fVhtUyGDOq5j4w/LkXgB1CfkntD+P8mRvg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyP+p0l+QvebuPpjwHuhPav0JC7IcLPdoOnWFgbJ2q3Q5qMfDFOVIl7yqho1KBB8GWMxQBwIbX028dIeGPedy8= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:ec02:: with SMTP id y2mr53452362qvo.118.1577736266232; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:04:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201912280527.xBS5R8fk041737@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <20191230020202.GB74518@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20191230020202.GB74518@neutralgood.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:04:13 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r356142 - in head/sys: dev/ofw sys To: "Kevin P. Neal" Cc: Jeff Roberson , "Rodney W. 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Neal wrote: > On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:11:48AM -1000, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > It seems to be the prevailing theory that headers are not even really > > copyrightable. This has even been tested in court a few times (bsd, > java). > > > > http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.1/0362.html > > > > The original definitions from this file were part of posix.1b and so it's > > hard to argue they are anything but public. Coincidentally I know Greg > and > > Wow is Google v Oracle going to screw this up. I fully expect the US > Supreme > Court to make a total hash of that case and cause havoc for the whole > software industry. > > The right thing for FreeBSD to do is decrease the size of the attack > surface > by getting the licenses as straight as possible. IMHO. But IANAL. > > > In my opinion, this has already wasted everyone's time with an irrelevant > > nit-picking argument. The onus is not on Pedro to chase this down just > so > > Lawyers make a living nit-picking. That's why one has to be very careful > to do a preemptive nit-pick before they get involved. > Nit picking with no sound legal basis by an engineer who has no license to practice law, however, could be more trouble than it's worth. We as a project have been doing this for at least 20 years, and there have been several legal reviews by companies using FreeBSD that haven't flagged this as an issue. Being nit-picky just to be nit-picky isn't helpful if the nits picked are snipe hunts without any benefit. Especially when accompanied by a arrogant and condescending tone and a know it all attitude with no professional credentials to back it. So we need, as a project, to be careful what we spend time on. Doubly so for stupid nit picks that we know have no merit. Those drain enthusiasm from the volunteers far in excess of any possible benefit the unit picks may bring to the project. Warner -- > Kevin P. Neal http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ > On the community of supercomputer fans: > "But what we lack in size we make up for in eccentricity." > from Steve Gombosi, comp.sys.super, 31 Jul 2000 11:22:43 -0600 >