From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 5 04:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0FD16A518 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335D243D48 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:14:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so942438nzf for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:14:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cf/B2i6QX9QyeYwRGPBrN9qZiVrutjxNb7v+8/jlIf+HOGHvIiCtDGOCjVgYaCf4GQgg9pbzLZIY96150R9NaXTzmLY36cWEqzAv3khG+zRCUOo7m7Cx9IQTuIQTxexeW6hprevjLDA1HQ1NIcm15hmkMOxCDc8XmwPe9IUZdXY= Received: by 10.36.19.13 with SMTP id 13mr5636625nzs; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.104.17 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:14:13 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" In-Reply-To: <20060605033821.GH50579@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <447E9540.2020003@io.dk> <200606011357.11990.aren.tyr@gawab.com> <447F0062.8060302@daleco.biz> <20060601144317.47402556@hydrocodone.org> <867j3z3om6.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060603093810.601366af@hydrocodone.org> <86odx9pe3w.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20060605033821.GH50579@wantadilla.lemis.com> Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Allen , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Real UNIX? (was: The Unix Haters Handbook) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 04:14:15 -0000 On 6/4/06, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 4 June 2006 at 9:35:47 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > Allen writes: > >> Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > >>> Allen writes: > >>>> Technically FreeBSD has more right than SCO UNIX to be called UNIX > >>> No. Unlike FreeBSD, SCO UnixWare is a direct descendent of the > >>> original AT&T Unix. > >> > >> So is / was Free BSD. That's why AT&T sued. > > > > It's not quite that simple. Even at the time of the lawsuit, BSD had > > very little AT&T code in it, and the lawsuit was sparked primarily by > > BSDI's unauthorized use of the Unix trademark. Read this: > > > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html > > There's a difference between technical and commercial rights. Allen > was referring to the technical issues. > > How much code is in the source base is one issue, but I don't know if > I'd call it technical. During the attack on IBM, SCO accidentally > revealed that the base System V malloc is still the same as the > Seventh Edition malloc (something so horrible that BSD rewrote it > decades ago, and Linux people threw it out for ugliness without > knowing the origin). > > But is that the technical aspect we mean? Throughout the 1980s System > V borrowed heavily from 4.[23]BSD. The Eighth Edition of Research > UNIX was derived from 4.1cBSD. From that perspective, I'd really be > inclined to think that BSD has more claim to be the real UNIX than > Missed'em V has. > How much would it take to get The Open Group to re-certify FreeBSD as UNIX and what would it take for FreeBSD to meet the requirements for UNIX certification, and would it be beneficial to FreeBSD if this happened? --=20 BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/