From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Fri Sep 25 21:47:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD853E66D3 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:47:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound2k.ore.mailhop.org (outbound2k.ore.mailhop.org [54.148.219.64]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BylrP0GGDz4dRb for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1601070451; cv=none; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; b=kwBbxN5L5BrIBc76agzJILeKXeKWGVjXNJSe7hOU8uEcZy5qGSsb9/JCmweYEWfIosgIXbhuOcN2+ eAlXJ9V8I2z0BBxy4yF/PTSo1j1PHoXRimJ8a7KNxZXHKqNO2nJ3iuzYt5BMNeccI4zwHLPGKdOn5q AKfEweV3vbIxZu/kKNNfJK7rvVcB2uNrH20kH1egE15KAeJFUKxu4p3vpZ6AawwCsNTe3eB4/hwgBU wirvsO41OiCoBKK0luVWjhAE6mwa4AvfrT74NHpatGk5cBPcKL9AJaA4to+n4IzzbvQCQ1uMwvHENo kHEow/mEmbdUD49bpG9VR/NXUA6NpwA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:dkim-signature:from; bh=vgOX1v5VTUIKUNfmhcl1BCBkzxcNT2wh0x9Lp9S0Mf8=; b=Z19qX+4cZLRioqaE7Ly8f3mjWlwvFMFpspUtDShllPJcAmA5cYn7fZ2+LWZTNhBLZHpotUKfoAN18 Z73qwrb7xEh5xEQDoss9E5+FhQ3U8+fSSyRIFd9acGE0L//ZvNSHmbhEhIlkVa9zhAEy6Xt4chEV8q 3jvsK2SpwW0rgIkc7YVwyyBVFJOgZliiwPY6r0C6Y6DUHdxniHpdYeGQg9bmZNA0sVi6OJ0mm5WNnT x45PknjZXySNgmsLTHp51iP45Ug1P6pSmanlmUTjsoe0DaS5kV5cvPlkjlrQN1Pam2fvJTq/ZBXxDY MAkaJheTsgBcUi3hhgLGa+uxlHZL1MQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; outbound4.ore.mailhop.org; spf=softfail smtp.mailfrom=freebsd.org smtp.remote-ip=67.177.211.60; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org; arc=none header.oldest-pass=0; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=dkim-high; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=vgOX1v5VTUIKUNfmhcl1BCBkzxcNT2wh0x9Lp9S0Mf8=; b=Hm09uS6wTwcB1iZzw8FjyH/yD1mZCg/lGl/4uph/1NQn+ozBw2EF+MJRZXAOBnxIMGUgODxA9LA8L pR9EKR/GAMzBAirz0OnrNoqQhRb4bJnMe0Jp9eh5AWw0gZtNbt1C3Qews0/+1ZKLuCNFiUQREubH8B ZsS0/IW4ev5e5OLDjBD/SKm+rlG0MLyolqY2d31QxJ3NOrKHyZjQwa3fDhVjaCOHo9soroa6Mh0OjX ipBAxdBwnxXiGvfwYYAVIWDG0NyhHQ1f8ezj4iY+s45zAtI96Cu3BQyUo54dTHPhuoiXJGKO9BzkEO Yks3eT2pguONRLdayfJ97XPhTzjK3oA== X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll X-MHO-User: b57c6409-ff78-11ea-9e11-df46ed8f892f X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (c-67-177-211-60.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.177.211.60]) by outbound4.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id b57c6409-ff78-11ea-9e11-df46ed8f892f; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 08PLlTiX039489; Fri, 25 Sep 2020 15:47:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4e8b729665b9af8092c36bbf77f4de208d781fbb.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r365643 - head/bin/cp From: Ian Lepore To: Edward Tomasz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Napiera=B3a?= Cc: rgrimes@freebsd.org, src-committers , svn-src-all , svn-src-head Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 15:47:29 -0600 In-Reply-To: <7CEB4168-005D-4C1B-9988-662BA1883EC0@freebsd.org> References: <7CEB4168-005D-4C1B-9988-662BA1883EC0@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-13" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BylrP0GGDz4dRb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:54.148.0.0/15, country:US]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 21:47:33 -0000 On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 20:48 +0100, Edward Tomasz Napierała wrote: > > On 25 Sep 2020, at 19:12, Ian Lepore wrote: > > [..] > > > (A question that occurs to me: could it be that the files you've > > seen > > got created at shutdown after devfs was unmounted, rather than at > > startup? I don't know enough about the shutdown sequence to know > > whether that's possible.) > > Thing is, if you unmount /dev, you are revoking > all the device nodes, including your ttys and disk device nodes. You > wouldn’t be able to properly shutdown afterwards. > > I was thinking more of something in the shutdown rc scripts or an errant daemon process unmounting /dev. But it sounds like that's not possible while disks are still mounted. -- Ian