From owner-svn-ports-all@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 11:57:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CA2F2A6; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from prod2.absolight.net (mx3.absolight.net [IPv6:2a01:678:2:100::25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "plouf.absolight.net", Issuer "CAcert Class 3 Root" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 258C81C13; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from prod2.absolight.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prod2.absolight.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEAFBDC1F; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:57:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gw.in.absolight.net (gw-ecl.in.absolight.net [79.143.241.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gw.in.absolight.net", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by prod2.absolight.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 744F7BDC1D; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:57:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ogg.in.absolight.net (ogg.in.absolight.net [79.143.241.239]) by gw.in.absolight.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA816122; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:57:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ogg.in.absolight.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352396B0BFEA; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:57:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:57:53 +0200 From: Mathieu Arnold To: Alexey Dokuchaev , Mathieu Arnold Subject: Re: svn commit: r349818 - head/www/nginx Message-ID: <7F3CD6E10C73DF9C269015EE@ogg.in.absolight.net> In-Reply-To: <20140409084542.GB10692@FreeBSD.org> References: <201404010040.s310e5en074822@svn.freebsd.org> <5342F077.8000105@freebsd.org> <20140409060926.GA94220@FreeBSD.org> <131A373C19AA83C05705C628@atuin.in.mat.cc> <20140409084542.GB10692@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@FreeBSD.org, Mark Felder , Niclas Zeising X-BeenThere: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 11:57:57 -0000 We're digressing quite a bit from the original point here, but anyway. +--On 9 avril 2014 08:45:42 +0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: | On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 10:06:18AM +0200, Mathieu Arnold wrote: |> Well, no, it is *not* what a mentor should say. PORTREVISION and |> PORTEPOCH should be set when they need to be, they should not be avoided |> because someone think they're ugly. [...] | | Mathieu, while what you (and PH) says is correct, it does not mean that | we should not put any thinking when it comes to bumping PORTEPOCH. Surely | tools exist to be made use of if it helps to solve the problem; but every | solution comes at a price, and careful/experienced committer would | probably have selected better one. Often "better" means "less ugly", and | I do not see why any mentor should not encourage their mentees to select | the least ugly/intrusive choice among equally functional ones. Yes, of course, some old timers have devised hacks and tricks to make due without ever using PORTEPOCH, which are, mostly, but not entierly, either bad or good. Now, the point was that a new committer doesn't have the experience to do so, and thus, can follow the manual, because the manual is right, you use PORTEPOCH when you need to. Some people do feel it's ugly and they go at great length to not use it, I have nothing against it. But do not tell someone it's wrong to use PORTEPOCH, it is ok to use it, when needed :-) -- Mathieu Arnold