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Zeeb" , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: Slow startup from D19488 (rtsol: sendmsg: Permission denied) Message-ID: References: List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: uucp.dinoex.org; Sender-ip: 185.220.148.12; Sender-helo: uucp.dinoex.org;) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (uucp.dinoex.org [185.220.148.12]); Wed, 13 Apr 2022 00:00:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KdKQw6GjNz4jZD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org designates 2a0b:f840::12 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sub.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:205376, ipnet:2a0b:f840::/32, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, Apr 03, 2022 at 10:27:59PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: ! > Hi Kevin, ! > ! > (You are Kevin Oberman the network guru ?!?) ! > ! > Maybe a decade or so ago. After over a decade of retirement, I'm not sure ! how BGP is spelled. And why would the network fib? Ah, I see. So thats what happens to the gurus, and why wisdom is so rarely found in the world nowadays... Anyway, enjoy what You're doing! :) ! You're essentially right, and I would normally agree. And it is not ! > irrelevant, but then, it's apparently not related to this specific ! > issue. ! > ! > The point is: I am not interested in 13.0. I am interested in ! > 13.1. So I put up a pilot early, in order to report potential issues ! > (as I reported here the issue with the fix for PR 76398). At that ! > point this had to be stable/13. ! > ! > Then on saturday I tried to use fib, and I figured that fib is not ! > fully implenented in 12.3, but apparently it is in 13. So I decided ! > to give it a try and move my backbone to 13 - and to the same version ! > that is already running on the pilot system, so that there is some ! > base to compare things. ! > ! > Now there are issues - but it doesn't appear that these issues would ! > be very different between stable/13 and releng/13.1. And -as can be ! > read above- it neither looks like these issues would just disappear ! > by themselves in the release, without someone looking for them. ! > (The broken "ipfw fwd" is probably also present in 13.0 and will very ! > likely still be present in 13.1 - and I don't believe much in testing ! > because you can only test what you already expect to fail.) ! > ! > I am indeed pondering about the best approach. Over the last years ! > I was only doing release upgrades (after I had run into ugly ZFS ! > problems somewhere in Rel.10, caused by an intermediately broken ! > Stable *and* broken memory chips). ! > Now I am considering to do upgrades some 2-3 months ahead of the ! > release, so if there are problems that hit here, there is a chance ! > to spare the general public one or two troubles. ! > ! > cheerio, ! > PMc ! > ! ! Well, that does explain a bit. I'm not sure of the best way to troubleshoot ! this. It is extremely unlikely that it's broken on STABLE and fixed in ! 13.1-BETA or RC. ! ! Sorry I can't be more useful. If I had experience with FIBs on FreeBSD. ! It's not the same as RIBs and FIBs on Junipers. Thanks, no problem! I got all through it now, and in the end it was real fun and works now just as I imagined. I don't think fib are really flawed in 12.3 - but the ifconfig+routing interaction is better implemented in 13.1, it was worth the effort. And yesterday I got note that Andrey Elsukov put the "ipfw fwd" fix into HEAD, so this one will also go away now. Rock'n and Roll'n again! :) cheerio, PMc