From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 6 11: 6:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36B637B419 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0154.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.154] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16igjv-0007Nm-00; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:06:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3C866897.649BCC6F@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:05:59 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Brett Glass , Kenneth Culver , "Steve B." , "Eugene L. Vorokov" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C vs C++ References: <20020305164151.T5854-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> <3C8529DA.FA8ABCE@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020306073237.00cd0b00@localhost> <3C8659BC.C2FD35ED@mindspring.com> <15494.23436.196349.224108@caddis.yogotech.com> <3C8661EB.934CC478@mindspring.com> <15494.25629.4763.761844@caddis.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > > Again, that's subjective to you. I've been doing C++ for > > about 20 years now > > I find that *really* hard to believe, since C++ hasn't been out for that > long. :) :) :) > > (I've got Stroustrup's book next to me, and it wasn't even started until > '85, and I don't know when the first C++ compiler became publically > available.) I'm rounding... 8-). We had "cfront" and "The Oregon C++ Compiler" back in the early 1980's (definitely before 1985, since I was working by then). > > The other advantage is that the C++ code ran in a known, > > deterministic amount of memory on an embedded system; > > Java VM's, even Kaffe, seem to want to take at least 8M > > of memory. > > Kaffe wasn't a good implementation of the VM. However, I will state > that the minimum size was quite large. (No worse than most other > interpreted languages). However, it didn't have to get any bigger. I > had a server that server 400 real-time clients running in under 24MB on > a Sparc/RISC platform. The costs are much less if you can share a JVM, that's true. But comparing the Sun JVM with the Kaffe, I've actually never seen the Sun JVM smaller. Kaffe is really surprisingly small-footed for a JVM. 8-). > > The same project also served to show that a Cathedral > > builds significantly better code than a Bazaar. > > You're not going to get *any* argument from me on that one (I agree with > you), but I'm *NOT* going to get sucked into that discussion. :) Heh. You're no fun... 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message