From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 30 9:57:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from ardbeg.meer.net (ardbeg.meer.net [209.157.152.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4858937B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from meer.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by ardbeg.meer.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAUHvHp79229; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from neville-neil.com ([209.157.133.226]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with ESMTP id JAA2847316; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200111301756.JAA2847316@meer.meer.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Alex Rousskov Cc: Jonathan Lemon , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: funding TCP stack rewrite In-Reply-To: Message from Alex Rousskov of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:27:04 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:56:56 -0800 From: "George V. Neville-Neil" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:01:21AM -0600, mark tinguely wrote: > > > Too bad there are not companies throwing money around to fund a good > > > rewrite...of course there is some competative advatange to do so only > > > for themselves. > > > > Anyone want to fund a network hacker to do all of these? Seriously? :-( There are people doing this, for themselves. But it's not a rewrite, it's porting. There are well known recent failures (not specifically on FreeBSD but of rewrites of network stacks to achieve more modern ends). Nortel's Open IP comes immediately to mind. > What kind of sum of money are we talking about here? Can you estimate > what hacker/month effort is required? Would it make sense to setup a > [paypal] fund of some kind, hosted on freebsd.org to raise the > required sum? That way small companies and even individuals can > contribute even if the total is more than they can afford... > There is a more important question to be answered: What is the exact set of goals to be achieved by the rewrite? Many people/companies forget this and end in a muddle. I'm a big fan of rewriting/reworking the BSD stack because I've seen it pushed to its very edges and know the difficulties but unless there is a strong goal that can be stuck to the effort is doomed from the start. > Will the dedicated work of the said guru get a high priority as far as > review and commit steps are concerned? A public semi-formal commitment > or encouragement from FreeBSD core group may be in order to raise > support from the community. Otherwise, folks may worry that these big > changes, once implemented, will get stuck in the commit queue forever. What we need is a sub-project here. Later, George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message