From owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Tue Apr 30 12:56:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424601590593 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CAB06F249 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy@freebsd.org) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id LSIthqo3BGusjLSIvhonmd; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 06:56:14 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fOdHIqSe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=oexKYjalfGEA:10 a=cAe2BUNkAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=sNKlHJBAFK4ZAaVlVyoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ggd1tVC6cxfQud7OqMxb:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3D7171B; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x3UCuAZh006798; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cy@freebsd.org) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x3UCu9TJ006795; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cy@freebsd.org) Message-Id: <201904301256.x3UCu9TJ006795@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Franco Fichtner cc: Cy Schubert , freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base In-Reply-To: Message from Franco Fichtner of "Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:32:29 +0200." <7B9F9F37-9DCB-4B9D-BEF1-8C3092331DD0@opnsense.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 05:56:09 -0700 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNGNjsUPc2VO+vLwRdZoWIPSRtALZNspbNFQe0CmJ/b4wTZfr5eleisNBs0XBnRXrYAvOUMaEq7P4f+570cboitSKzJnnVIyr1sPoyxG8Wi1nvV/gahB ROzbZjvOUg49AhVC+N6rsbwX52bBbSpEbQptMms6T1RgKREYnwHfiV5uSwv5v7oyLXjbAu1IH+PEfTFoiohP7UDjdZstieRbVHc= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8CAB06F249 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.985,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA] X-BeenThere: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Packaging the FreeBSD base system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:56:18 -0000 In message <7B9F9F37-9DCB-4B9D-BEF1-8C3092331DD0@opnsense.org>, Franco Fichtner writes: > > > > On 30. Apr 2019, at 2:25 AM, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > > As for updating, freebsd-update is mostly there to accomplish your requirem > ent without pkgbase. Which begs the question, if we're simply replacing free > bsd-update and it does most of what we want why the extra effort? Unless we w > ant to solve more than just this problem? Which BTW I think we do. > > There's hbsd-update, pfSense-upgrade and opnsense-update precisely > because pkgbase was pulled ever since it's first ETA in 11.0 and > the subsequent non-delivery. freebsd-update is not the answer. > > Speaking for opnsense-update[1] specifically it's a shell script > with a bit of bloat for handling package updates as normal and > otherwise use base.txz and kernel.txz and arbitrary signatures > in pkg (built upon the idea of pkg.txz.sig) to verify their signature > directly linked to the fingerprints of the pkg repo used -- all well > under 1000 LOC counting whitespaces for readability and battle- > proven since 2015. > > My point is simply this: > > The sole focus on "the" pkgbase that will solve all issues and the > unwillingness to cooperate on "pkgbase" at the same time has made the > situation much much worse than it should have been for FreeBSD users > and blocked the road for other types of improvements in the update > area for a number of years now. The purpose of pkgbase is to bring us into the 20th century. > > It's time to step up > Ahh. I've been told. I have plenty of FreeBSD projects on the go. Yet another project will mean a more thinly spread out me and nothing will get done. I've already stepped up to the plate -- on many fronts. > instead of further dividing the topic so I > want to thank Kris for his effort very much. P.S. It doesn't help attacking someone already contributing to FreeBSD. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.