From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 03:16:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFA016A4D2 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:16:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C128C43D53 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:16:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.30 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 03:16:28 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:16:27 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <6587631D.5034AB43.0F75C5EC@netscape.net> <200412271403.12158.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <200412271850.54926@zaphod.softweyr.com> In-Reply-To: <200412271850.54926@zaphod.softweyr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412271916.28076.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: grog@freebsd.org cc: Wes Peters cc: core@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time to shut down this list? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:16:29 -0000 On Monday 27 December 2004 06:50 pm, Wes Peters wrote: > On Monday 27 December 2004 14:03, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > > On Monday 27 December 2004 01:30 pm, Wes Peters > > wrote: > > > The cool part is, we don't need somebody who can answer > > > questions, or even necessarily tell the user where to get them > > > answered. What we really need is somebody to watch for threads > > > that are veering off into non-newbies-list topics and redirect > > > those. > > > > > > I don't know that it really requires official moderation, though > > > we could do that if the list members don't respond appropriately > > > to suggestions by the nanny(ies). > > > > Well, I agree that this would likely be the best of both worlds: > > having moderation without having a moderator, per se, but it seems > > to me like the frequency of newbies asking for technical help on > > this list indicates a lack of clear communication of the group > > charter. I realize newbies are less inclined (in general) to read > > instructions, but perhaps this in itself is reason to make the > > charter more clear to people before they join. > > One of my ideas is to come up with a short, succint version of the > newbies list charter and to have it appended to every message, as a > list signature. Would any of you "frequent newbie flyers" like to > have a go at the text for this? This gentle reminder should inform > them to seek help on technical questions on the -questions list, and > refer to the newbies list charter via URL. How about something like, "freebsd-questions is not a technical help or support list. See: http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ " > *You* of all people should know where to find the official list > charter. ;^) Me, specifically? Well, yes, but I'm not sure why me, of all people ... http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS - jt