From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 20 21:37:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99940C4CBA6 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:37:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B3171E15 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:37:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-250-109.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.250.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A797624DF7; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:37:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id uAKLbEBC003024; Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:37:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:37:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? Message-Id: <20161120223714.c04ab707.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20161120222249.05a75d9e@moonstudio> References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <14047.128.135.52.6.1479482907.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161118165549.408e9a9f@archlinux.localdomain> <86zikv5mqu.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> <5831FE03.2030207@gmail.com> <20161120222249.05a75d9e@moonstudio> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 21:37:24 -0000 On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:22:49 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > A quick search didn't show me an off-topic FreeBSD mailing list. > However, there's > > https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic > > subscribing shouldn't be required, to post to this list. There is freebsd-chat@ - "Non technical items related to the community", maybe this one is preferred for the current kind of discussion? > Here in Germany nobody is forced to use anything related to Microsoft. That is not true for schools or governmental installations where there are _strict_ requirements on what software is allowed to be used, typically MICROS~1 products due to long-term contracts and lobbyism. Additionally, people at work cannot refuse to use something that they are forced to use (or they will get fired, _that_ is the choice they have). Choice: "Eat it or leave it." ;-) > Computer users are free to chose what they want to use. Home consumers are, yes. For those who need a specific software which is available only for "Windows", or those who are already affected by vendor lock-in (data cannot be migrated, programs do not exist in portable code form etc.), and those who are under strict requirements (see above) this is not true. With upcoming hardware configurations, that ability of choice will be harder and harder to implement (things like "Restricted Boot"). > If people still use e.g. a service provided by Microsoft, despite of all > we know about the Microsoft and Linux conspiracy/conspiracies, this is > another evidence for the conspiracy/conspiracies. Leaked NSA material _proves_ the role of MICROS~1 within the spying apparatus aimed at people. But as I said in another message, they don't do it because of "pure evil", they do it for the money and influence, which is the driving force within capitalism. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...