From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Feb 8 17:38:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8F3CD6BBB for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDDF1D77 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 616E8CD6BBA; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61191CD6BB9 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) Received: from nm16-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3937E1D76 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1486575272; bh=ef3CWdc4VZYSfonpNocMy+whaAXrKN5ABZiwYfV2/hI=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=DPmtHjh92zd4+mmImgGqNa2A98BVU7Mfwovwe689Ulpss5wutqr+EZWVfejlPKdW/x0qGAs/+LoqxclTp3K+sBSEwkYejEg7fC+2qMvSeAmoxUZbO/6ZPGR0/6ZbVuyiCiKDrK9dzpogGy+Qx2bBku/6H6pJg264eiPiOD/YdLs= Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2017 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.145] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2017 17:34:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2017 17:34:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 442763.46741.bm@smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: g93Bzc4VM1nPLWGzdUy2NsquyUGyEVOJ0MWk5Oeq5NwIOJk XGfnCVyR18K.jItf.ptND.J6utmR5NChXA2RSPw5LyC1sWbnBIfGQ3PnXwUs Jiyj31ka73AtQq4nESCq751ZmDHmc4P.6p0VCpnH7fjCgAG5SQIx8QQEZARe nfZF8x86kRYT27smyTQE6XjF48d0yLXelElxxvbO.EfnRDnipS67iyxM.1mf ZV_8B0rUYcYEyP4Loto8SUcX_.BAl8TqmUmGTc.71na913tdFF5RdpuJx.y8 GCX0hOBrNNU_CeoiEoWcVKoOq5JPCj96xmkEPs5wlv.uCZGaohMcQ3x8yFk2 KbDM4KPo75GrQDl8z6121Zh10vbknpylcgQoyAJCjC2BkgWuVRqolfMIBb7T PYWuFG424AQ_Z92MM_OjhieId8KbAumMiA1VNnZrCKu4jOBnHwDqAQmKgDb6 XglF10VTbfBgg05dTMA41m7uA0WVR9LoyRsyK8XJL3o41WtrFMpluxcDb0aN 1eOUGE8PlHLrZSrqpL6S1jVZhUrvlOC4HBnMOEVFCbuPCiQMAErk2zQjaiHk xfii9_a.._MZFivpTdIjb2w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: pPvqnOaswBBbYZLVYFzvU7GaowLcbNioPp.aF8KvOjZk From: To: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:34:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:38:01 -0000 On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 14:43:25 +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: >On 02/08/17 11:56, scratch65535@att.net wrote: >> So, what's the deal here? To "encourage" people to upgrade, pkg >> will break their existing install? That is both hostile and >> deeply arrogant! > >mat's response is more exasperation than anything else. This is a well >known problem for which there have been /numerous/ bug reports. You're >meant to check that there isn't already a relevant bug report when >creating a PR in bugzilla. I *did* check for bug reports. I did a search on "utimenstat" and found exactly one, which had been withdrawn as not being a bug. But it *is* a bug. It's a bug on several levels, the most significant of which is that the overly frantic schedule makes versions have the lifespan of a mayfly. And we're told "just upgrade", as though there's some physical law mandating the craziness. There are people for whom the system is a tool, not a hobby. They don't want to have to rebuild their tools any more than carpenters want to replace their hammers and levels every year or two. For those people (I'm one) long version lifespans and bug-free operation is a much bigger desideratum than winning the secret race (I presume there is some kind of secret race going on, since otherwise the crazy scheduling makes No Sense At All). I can't work out what the strategy for winning is, if there is a strategy, but I do know that it's not working. Linux has all but won already, and that's sickening. I've been using the o/s since before v2 (I still have the cds) and have watched FreeBSD go from being the leading Unix on Intel boxes to all-but-dead. I don't know how to express how saddened I feel about that.