Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:27:24 +0000 From: Mark Blackman <mark@exonetric.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mark Felder <feld@feld.me> Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle Message-ID: <81A5F99A-CA8B-4BA9-936C-51F5421460AC@exonetric.com> In-Reply-To: <9E283165-BD56-4DBF-9799-757C475815FB@bsdimp.com> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1112211415580.19710@kozubik.com> <op.v78i3yxi34t2sn@tech304> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1201171009330.19710@kozubik.com> <9E283165-BD56-4DBF-9799-757C475815FB@bsdimp.com>
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On 17 Jan 2012, at 21:09, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > On Jan 17, 2012, at 11:12 AM, John Kozubik wrote: >> Again, I'm not suggesting more snapshots - I am suggesting more real, = bona fide releases. This will help people. >=20 > I tend to agree with you. Our release engineering process isn't = serving the needs of users as much as it once did. When Walnut Creek = was running release engineering, we had releases often because they = wanted to make money from their subscriptions. This produced reasonably = spaced minor releases and except for 4-5, decently spaced major = releases. Even after the torch passed from walnut creek to others, = there was still either residual pressures to make the releases happen, = or inherited mindset that keep on the same pace. >=20 > Today we have lost our way. We have no major vendor pushing the = process along to make it happen faster.=20 What exactly did the major vendor to push things along? Keep nagging? I'd have thought PC-BSD and iXsystems are the natural people to to take = over that role in any case. The FreeBSD foundation seems less interested in the "for = end-users" angle as well. - Mark=
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