From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sun Dec 2 07:03:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9ADB13130BA for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 07:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77668720E for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 07:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E93114831; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 07:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wB273unD060914 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Dec 2018 07:03:56 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id wB273ts6060913; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 07:03:55 GMT (envelope-from phk) To: Warner Losh cc: RW , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: How to use trim command ?,Re: How to use trim command ? In-reply-to: From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <7e69211c-6ffb-6155-b17a-a845c0b3586d@grosbein.net> <20181201.093153.893601099798031027.ish@amail.plala.or.jp> <1c7139bd-258c-e7d2-2572-052da3803b3b@freebsd.org> <20181201.202332.546134930481017424.ish@amail.plala.or.jp> <12404.1543699424@critter.freebsd.dk> <20181201222424.0ae8abfd@gumby.homeunix.com> <1177.1543704042@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <60911.1543734235.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 07:03:55 +0000 Message-ID: <60912.1543734235@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E77668720E X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.01 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.54)[0.543,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.dk]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.974,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: phk.freebsd.dk]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.94)[0.936,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[phk@phk.freebsd.dk,phk@critter.freebsd.dk]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1835, ipnet:130.225.0.0/16, country:EU]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[phk@phk.freebsd.dk,phk@critter.freebsd.dk]; IP_SCORE(0.26)[asn: 1835(1.31), country: EU(0.00)]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[googlemail.com] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2018 07:04:00 -0000 -------- In message , Warner Losh writes: >Erase has become super expensive with QLC nand. And many SSDs are trying = to >use simpler, smaller data structures to implement its LUTs. They may not have a choice, there are patent-issues in this space. Still, I would avoid any SSD which has issues in this space for normal filesystem operations. -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= .