From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 21 17:56:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 649F796E; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-x22b.google.com (mail-oa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFA1C1A5F; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i7so1410342oag.16 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:56:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GMlonR0DGAD7d3f/+f6JuykB3sRiuz6OQrUwjukypt0=; b=lysClStRkeyEuHlWpOj4CPsq8OnfzT7Xk2wCAdABb679IgrecXWTVtHWxmkH38iwQp 8H9APbgFRCteKxes6JVyhgml4qMZou1gGmDxSLEeqkj9wPCgBrGj1pU1ZCWfnu1lqIyA CmXf27drdLY4/1YmR6Hu2YauA7azS/g6tqduPvmCGNRODT8j+0+AA05Ysap8tYEtz95C pTfpgMYhtkn10FyHqgdaMXIG7uxN9RNB1fZv0NQkIzJeQUM8GcLKWjcmTy8J3yQ4F5qZ 2A6YJU7qev5qFa+ngWLgdHwQ+w9UNOUfTP1fuQVCz2LP1R9v1wN0Wa9lsNQgvSKw2HKh BQvA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.228.197 with SMTP id sk5mr11150211oec.9.1393005389326; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.92.36 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:56:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140221173841.GK1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <201402210726.s1L7QnBP007144@svn.freebsd.org> <20140221160144.GA61609@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20140221163217.GJ1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20140221173841.GK1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:56:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r262282 - in head: contrib/dma contrib/dma/debian contrib/dma/debian/migrate contrib/dma/debian/source contrib/dma/test etc/mtree libexec libexec/dma share/mk tools/build/mk tools/build... From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Baptiste Daroussin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" , Rui Paulo , Steve Kargl X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:56:30 -0000 On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 09:07:23AM -0800, Rui Paulo wrote: > > On 21 Feb 2014, at 08:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 08:01:44AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > > >> Why? There is /usr/ports/mail/dma. > > >> > > > Because there are lot of case where you do not need a full smtp server > in base but just > > > be able to deliver locally and/or relay mails outside, dma is very > good for that > > > purpose. > > > > I agree with this notion and to be honest the next step should be to > remove sendmail from the base system. > > > I'm strongly support that idea. > Baptiste, I appreciate that you've put a lot of thought and effort into this work, and indeed you put in Herculean amounts of effort for the project for which we should all be grateful. In particular, the addition of dma is listed as having been discussed with three other committers, and represents the potential for a very significant change in the base system that we present to our users. As such, I think that it would be beneficial for all parties, if a summary of the reasoning behind this decision could be presented to us. A quick, single-sentence reply does *not* serve this purpose; in fact it is actively working against this purpose, by seeming to brush off the concerns of others without proper consideration. I understand that your time is precious. So is the time of everyone on this list, and a small investment in a well-written description of the reasoning for this change should be able to prevent a long email thread that would waste a lot of many peoples' time. It would probably be best for this description to go to -current, instead of the svn commit lists. Thank you, Ben