From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 1 18:28:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAADD95; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DA3D2D7B; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc27-cmbg15-2-0-cust235.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.27.188.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r81ISDb0030899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:28:14 GMT (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4D3FE985-F61C-4EEB-9489-02A9A8DA380F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: GCC withdraw From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <20130901180350.GA12351@lonesome.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 19:28:07 +0100 Message-Id: <6668F65C-812F-4069-83CE-7F8CF3316527@freebsd.org> References: <20130822200902.GG94127@funkthat.com> <201308291344.25562.jhb@freebsd.org> <201308301041.18874.jhb@freebsd.org> <20130901180350.GA12351@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Cc: "Sam Fourman Jr." , toolchain@freebsd.org, Boris Samorodov , FreeBSD Current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 18:28:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4D3FE985-F61C-4EEB-9489-02A9A8DA380F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 1 Sep 2013, at 19:03, Mark Linimon wrote: > If this is the case, IMHO: I was going to quote the whole mail, but actually this is enough. As I = have already said in this thread, there is no such plan. I repeat, for = those who missed it the first time: On 30 Aug 2013, at 16:11, David Chisnall wrote: > I am not proposing: >=20 > ... >=20 > - To deprecate any architectures >=20 > - To break any architectures If a platform ends up without a working toolchain in a few years and = there is no way (LLVM, recent GCC, heavily patched old GCC, = vendor-supplied toolchain) of building it, then we will have to make the = decision about its future. Whether that means getting the Foundation = and / or some other interested body to pay for someone to work on a = toolchain or dropping support is an issue for stakeholders in the = platform. =20 We will probably have to make this call about at least IA64 in a couple = of years, and possibly some PowerPC and SPARC variants, but it's not a = decision that needs to be made any time soon. I know SemiHalf does a = lot of embedded FreeBSD work with PowerPC and a few people do with = SPARC, so there are definitely people with vested interests in = maintaining those two platforms. I'd honestly be surprised if IA64 is = around in two years (mind you, I've been expecting it to die for the = last five, so I'm willing to be surprised again), but maybe there will = be a lot of cheap second-hand IA64 hardware on the market as all of the = big customers switch to something else reviving interest in the = platform... David --Apple-Mail=_4D3FE985-F61C-4EEB-9489-02A9A8DA380F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSI4c3AAoJEKx65DEEsqId/t0QAK8V0kucd+YxPgwnZbTbQNjf KQyBumy1fB1I8CV6lQEXAZILaFhKTiAKQW6V4UVOxtcQ30+7BJVAyN1zBNZ6Qhra VG9XZZJP0M+n4SLRAGOhhfSuLvLNNg0dD9XDnft8W2kBzyG+pBo36n28wuCzhP8Z WB1ieh2mHQHB3whEKRfNDyFX8Fd3tq+p5Ieh+jqjQk8XEk6M0Ska/D7aqZ024wPE b2UxKIeejn5IV19RrJrturjQCzPPUAw48m/GCmOqO6wSZzHU0EA/WSglfad/dJUg 6EOjWDDsO4b1sprmPG5/bXd+8RXhuUTlgOFAgsJBjtqcqjVxzXmj+68CWUdKVmTl RThtVrDDxFDFvkwjxF1LgichoiJCQWBNZKtPCrmGnleoA0x0PY4qQiC5mFpWKSGY VaV3m6nTh6jizY9fPA3SAtEy/BMu7PAj1XEUAhTLB51a+yGRVVIzABEsNzbJukrz aZRCGZAFS4nh1V7FR4R+jM2dcH2Gi0J69m0lL/2aOj4jd+U4l6BoHT/RWVu0lho2 OtMPKF0FNnDtwWP6wQTxWHp6RcJqFkQ3CX0ch72/utrGWBYAvz2pXm/Q/O6hCN5a MveWpnRzh9auQ9HfHiLhvOVBHYR1t22YbNWGlsAezzqysQnwSeOwpL/Rj7HrNHj5 mquydzvEKLe3Zx3UXCYk =3g0T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4D3FE985-F61C-4EEB-9489-02A9A8DA380F--